SBC's NEW SLOGAN P4P (PLAY FOR PLEASURE)

I BELIEVE IN P4P (PLAY FOR PLEASURE)

  • I BELIEVE IN P4P (PLAY FOR PLEASURE)

    Votes: 22 100.0%
  • I DONT MIND PAYING MY HARD EARNED MONEY TO PLAY IN A GIG

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    22
Hey guys, I think there's a huge misunderstanding. I think what johnjazz is saying is that bands should not even play for free, they should be instead, paid to play. Yes that should be the case for professional musicians.

I wasn't born yet during the post disco 80's era, but I managed to chat up with a veteran musician uncle here at a prata shop one night and he was complaining about regional bands coming over during the 80s and spoiling the market by agreeing to play at lower rates compared to local bands. It sounded like it really broke many cari makan musicians' rice bowls.

What johnjazz is saying, i think, is that we shouldn't undercut whatever the current rate in the market is any lower. Bands should concentrate on polishing up their standard and perform at higher rates.

Maybe he doesn't get what this movement is all about? It's not about under cutting more bands, or agreeing to play for free at nightspots. It's more of a platform to for new and young bands to get together perform without paying organisers, to raise awareness that paying to play doesn't make economic sense.

Nowadays new bands are so used to "paying to play". These are the bands that are actually unknowingly spoiling the market, because they are making the performing market so saturated but yet, they are not receving and money for their time and efforts, instead, losing money doing that. These kind of pay to play gigs also tend to be of lower quality to that of professional bands and it affects the perception of what others think of local bands.

The main idea here is to first raise awareness that paying to play is outrageous. Will artists pay to showcase their works and not receive anything in return? Siao ah, only people who print money at home will do that.
 
Madwerewoldboy ... In addition to their lower rates .... these musos who came mainly from the Phillipines were generally more accomodating to club bosses when compared to some local bands ... I worked 6 nights a week with a band from the Phillipines once for 6 months in the mid 90s( I was the only SG dude in a7 pc band) .. the discipline they had and their natural talent & ability was awesome ... I learned a lot from playing with them, things apart from the musical side of being in a band
 
YES! haha the uncle told me they were mostly from the philippines too, and they were all naturally musically talented.. He said they gave local bands then a real run for their money.
 
Nowadays new bands are so used to "paying to play". These are the bands that are actually unknowingly spoiling the market, because they are making the performing market so saturated but yet, they are not receving and money for their time and efforts, instead, losing money doing that. .

ah see.. at least I quote you so you dun have to quote yourself ah bro ..

The above statement you made is EXACTLY why we are against pay to play ....

whether or not they are spoiling market I cant comment ... coz there really arent that many commercial hardcore / metal / hard rock clubs here that they would compete with ...

as for the losing money part .. that I would agree ....
 
YES! haha the uncle told me they were mostly from the philippines too, and they were all naturally musically talented.. He said they gave local bands then a real run for their money.

95% were Pinoys & they kicked ass ....

I think to them it was a case of really EARNING A LIVING while some (that some & not all) SG bands had vision of rock & roll stardom ... but hey - we're all guilty of that a little bit ... even me .. hee hee
 
The era of 80's to 90's were one of the best times in the musical industry in Singapore. Even there was some 'hard fights' between the local musicians to foreigners, the locals can still survive as the money was good. We can afford to have a 7 to 9 pcs band of which each person would earn around $1k~$2k and some more depending on the contract or who got the contract. That time $1k was a lot of money.

A pack of Marlboro of 20's cost only $2 and feeder bus service at 15 cents.
 
The era of 80's to 90's were one of the best times in the musical industry in Singapore. Even there was some 'hard fights' between the local musicians to foreigners, the locals can still survive as the money was good. We can afford to have a 7 to 9 pcs band of which each person would earn around $1k~$2k and some more depending on the contract or who got the contract. That time $1k was a lot of money.

A pack of Marlboro of 20's cost only $2 and feeder bus service at 15 cents.


hehehehee bro your band & mine had some hard fights against each other in the mid -late 80s too..remember ... lolz
 
My keyboardist now with Enigma....he'll be too busy. Drummer got bald and can't play anymore as he hurt his hand. My bassist now a cabbie and never played for 10 years alread. Only me and Jack around. Eh..your band sure win dah!!! Hehehe!!!
 
heeeheheh - yeah THE SHADES just did a reunion gig at Mani"s daughter's 21st birthday a few weeks back .. and (without wanting to boast) we still got it ... hee heee ... maybe for SBC 3 can do a Shades Reunion ...

But you guys beat us fair & square back in 87 finals .... kudos
 
FGL and Tetra are saving the local scene from ruin, younger bands should come forth and vote your choice of performance.
Let those organizers who want you to beg your friends and family to come for gigs, leave the scene sooner or later.
 
Thanks bro ... Not just me & Tetra - there's a whole bunch of ppl behind the scene ...... trust me - a lot of ppl ...
 
Boss James - pls dont lock this thread - ban any trouble makers if you have to but keep the message of P4P alive with this thread
 
Yeah...sometimes I can be some trouble maker too but I would only do that once provoke. Ok...my apologies if it hurt others indirectly cause I'm a Rock and Roll Rebel. Or should I say used to be lah...now old man liao but still rockin' it out when there's an opportunity.

Yeah ridethetiger...there's plenty of us who are in together to save the scene. Our objective is to get the young and old together. The season players can share their experiences to the young ones. There are plenty of us and we only wish if music can bring people together, there should not be any fights or hatred among us. Give peace a chance! We don't promise further opportunity for time to come but it's a place where we can mingle irregardless of race, religion and differences in music genres. One thing for sure we all love music and that should be enough for us to be together.

Whatever others want to do...to sell tickets or what, we care less of their idea. But we never shunt those who do that when they want to come to us. Everyone is welcome!

Bless be!
Tetragrammaton
 
hmmm, sorry if I haven't said anything so far since the infamous trippy thread, but I believe in Work4PaySoCanPlayForPleasureAndEventuallyBeGoodEnoughAndBePaidToPlay
lets see..

W4PscP4PnebgeabP2P

looks like some futuristic hokkien vulgar language.
 
hmmm, sorry if I haven't said anything so far since the infamous trippy thread, but I believe in Work4PaySoCanPlayForPleasureAndEventuallyBeGoodEnoughAndBePaidToPlay
lets see..

W4PscP4PnebgeabP2P

looks like some futuristic hokkien vulgar language.

Ah yes bro ... the natural order of things ... what we all went through ...

yes if R2D2 was cursing C3PO in Hokkein it wud sound a little like that
 
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