wow, thanks for the overwhelming response and discussion. I guess it's really up to the musicality aspect of it. I tried it yesterday on a kit and although it's not as dark as sabian markets it to be, it's darker than average and very musical and very its got a differnt character when played with sticks, cool-sticks and brushes. It can go really loud but sounds rich when played soft as well. My friend bought the 17" at the sweelee sale and is offering it to me for $250. I might just get it.
Thanks again fellas!
Thanks again fellas!