re: drum lessons

rainedrop

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re: drum lessons

hi i'll just like to know of its really necessary to have a drumset if i want to take up drum lessons? btw does anyone one know of any schools offering group lessons besides yamaha?

i heard that yamaha asks the students to buy their books quite often and they're not exactly cheap.. anyone has experience with yamaha drum lessons? care to share a little?

thanks a lot! =)
 
Hi there,

I started out at Yamaha in Jan 2002 right until Dec 2004.

First of all, if you are in group lessons, you don't get to play on a drum set for every lesson. There were 5 kits and 5 drum pad kits and students actually rotate each week.

And with all the noise everyone's making, it's really hard to concentrate on what I was actually playing. Of course, being in a group, you either 1) learn fast and the others actually slow you down, or 2) slow learner but the teacher probably won't have extra time to rectify your mistakes and help you out more.

Halfway through the 2 years, I switched to individual lessons that last for 30 minutes each. Very short and it's really hard to get all the information in. Most of the time, I felt that I hardly warmed up my seat and my time was already up.

There's also the school calender. There wasn't a choice of makeup lessons. A couple of times, I was out of town and I still had to pay the monthly fees, despite me not being able to make it for the lessons. And the lessons were definitely not cheap.

As for the textbook part, all Yamaha teachers have a syllabus to follow. The teachers teach out of the book. If you request to learn songs, the teacher will usually oblige but at the end of the day, they will still go back to the book. And because they teach out of the book, students naturally have to get the books. The books are also structured in a way that you have to be taught through the teacher. There's book 1 and 2 for the entire drum course. When I bought them, they cost around $25 each.

And on the topic of syllabus, Yamaha is a very commercialized institution. Which also means you don't get to learn all about the rudiments first. They actually put that section right at the end of book 2 like a FYI thing. I think the reason is that if they had started the drum syllabus with rudiments, most students might be "bored" by it and drop out and they lose business. HOWEVER, you do get to learn all the simple grooves and fill ins, and within a month, you can probably drum along to some of your favorite tunes. That is still cool and it might works for some but personally, I really wish that I had started on the rudiments to build on my foundation. Despite that, I'm still glad that I learned how to read drum notations through the Yamaha course.

So speaking from personal experience and sharing my 2 cents, I wish I had started with a good teacher with great flexibility in terms of scheduling and what I wanted to learn and not strictly follow a standardized text. But don't get me wrong, the drum teachers at Yamaha are great. It's really not a person thing, but rather, the system.
 
I suggest you start of with an independent teacher, which will teach you the basics before switching to jimmy lee. Well that's what i'm going to do, someday.
 
Never learn from Yamaha, they are too commercialised.

Also, always have 1 to 1 lesson instead of group so that the teaher will be able to devote all his/her attention on you.
 
thanks for the replies! but if i take individual lessons, where will de lesson location be? i dun have a drumset at home either. also, are individual lessons cheaper? where can i find them?
 
oh and killerbee, did u take ur individual lessons at yamaha too? are the lessons still fixed on a particular day each week or can be chosen according to u?
 
yamaha lessons are fixed on a certain day every week, if u miss it, u waste ur the money u paid for tha tparticular lesson, unless of course its the teacher who wants to postpone it... as for lesson standard... dont bother joining the group, i joined guitar for group and i learnt more on myself compared to 6mnths worth of yamaha lessons... and my friend who takes group drum lessons there for bout 6 mnths also is no where as close as my other friend who had private lessons for 3mnths... so yea 2 good eg for group but i cant rly comment on individual

and i strongly reommend u dont take group lessons even outside of yamaha, u see you wouldnt want ur attention shared with other people when ur learning the basics cuz a good foundation is veryyy important

as for buying a drum set, but it if ur really sure this interest of drumming will last u a very long time... if it does, it would be so much btr to hav a set to practice on rite?
 
Hello!

I did both group and individual lessons at Yamaha. The school fixes the dates, and you choose the one that you want. For individual lessons, I think the lessons are only held over the afternoon on weekdays, 'coz in the evenings, the slots are mainly for group lessons. There should be more slots during weekends, but that one I am not so sure. For the record, I used to do my individual lessons over lunch time 'coz I used to work just next door to Plaza Singapura.

Individual lessons at Yamaha are held in the same rooms as the group lessons (but not at the same time of course). And individual lessons at Yamaha costs more than group lessons for sure.

There are a lot of drum teachers/schools available other Yamaha. You can feel free to ask around in the SOFT forum and see who the others are learning from, how good their teachers are, and their rates.

For me, I am starting individual lessons at The Music Lab (www.themusiclab.com.sg) with Alvin this Saturday. This school only offers individual lessons and their rates are so much more competitive (as in much more affordable) than Yamaha and the lesson duration is actually longer, 50 mins as opposed to Yamaha's 30 mins. You can find out Yamaha's current rates by going to the Plaza Singapura's branch and pick up their drum course brochure. I can assure you Alvin's school provides a better alternative. But don't say take my word for it. Go to The Music Lab and find out more from Alvin himself. No harm checking more schools/teachers out so you have more choices to choose from. :)

rainedrop said:
oh and killerbee, did u take ur individual lessons at yamaha too? are the lessons still fixed on a particular day each week or can be chosen according to u?
 
When I first started lessons, I didn't immediately want to buy a set. It's only through my progress with the lessons, that I felt that I really wanted to give drumming a shot and it would be good to get a set to play and practice on at home.

Some people make do with practice pads, then get the real kit mileage when they jam in the studios with their bands. But what if you don't have a band yet? If you are really keen and dead set to take on drumming, getting a kit would be good. But then again, you are bound to ask yourself some questions. Like:

1) Will it be too loud for my house? Will it affect the neighbors? If it's too loud and my neighbors complain, I wouldn't be able to play my kit too!
2) Should I consider getting a electronic set so as to not disturb the peace in the neighborhood? But with an electronic set, will I lose the touch of playing on a real acoustic set? And the cost of an electronic set is so much higher!
3) Or should I go to a drum practice studio to do my practice? But with the hourly rates, I could save up the cost of 50 trips to the studio could jolly well afford my own kit?

So yeah, those were the questions I asked myself. In the end, like many fellow drummers here, I bought a Pearl Rhythm Traveler. I live in a 5-room HDB flat, corner unit in Jurong. I have the set for around 4 years and have been playing on it mostly in the afternoon during weekends. So far, no complains from neighbors yet. But my family members hate it when I start drumming. I also have a couple of Pro-mark practice pads for some sticking practice at night.

But my friend who has a Tama Stagestar didn't have it so well. His neighbors complained about the noise and the police had to come and intervene a couple of times. So now, he's stuck with a kit that he can't play and is currently looking to get an electronic kit.

And another friend, she also took the drum course at Yamaha with me and bought a Pearl Forum set. Unfortunately, her interest for drums was shortlived and her set is currently sitting in her room collecting dust.

Back to some stories with my kit, because I was very conscious of the noise level, I tended to drum softly, albeit, in a "timid" way. It was as if I didn't dare to make a big din. This little mentality actually has an adverse effect whereby I don't drum loud enough during jamming and gigging situations. It's only through more studio jamming and gigging that I discovered that a drummer, particularly for rock music, is the force of the band. A good drummer must be able to control his/her volume. i.e.: to be able play loud and soft when the situation requires it.

And this goes back to how important having a good teacher is. When you first start to learn about drumming, you know little about control and proper techniques to control your volume. Which is why, having a good teacher to start you on a solid foundation is very important. As it is, there are so many things to know and learn about drumming. Must really take time and proper training if you really want to be a good player.

By the way, both the Pearl Rhythm Traveler and Tama Stagestar come with mesh heads. Which means you can still play on the kit but not making a lot of noise. You can check them out at:

http://www.pearldrum.com/rt.asp
http://www.tamadrum.co.jp/world/products/drum_kit/stagestar

Both models are available at Swee Lee.

rainedrop said:
i dun have a drumset at home either. also, are individual lessons cheaper? where can i find them?
 
KillerBee...you hit it right on the nail.....Yamaha School is very very commercial, but that's not the point. They have good drums Instructor there - but you won't come out of Yamaha being a Good Drummer at the end of 2 years...and talking about Grades...Yamaha Drumming Grades are NOT RECOGNISED at all....(sad to say that - but it's true)...They call it Step 1 & Step 2.

Yamaha perceived and believed that Drum Students goes there simply - to learn and be able to drum and play in a band oneday....That's it. Their objective is not to train you up to be an Awesome Drummer.

Like you, I was from Yamaha before too, so we're in the same wave-length.

To me - If anyone wants to learn Drumming just to be able to play in a Band, read notes, read chart - then Yamaha is an OK Schools...but if the person wants to be a very good drummer someday - NEVER go to Yamaha - they can't train you up to be what you want to be...simply because like what killerbee said "The System - which also means their direction or objective here"..is not to train you up to play like those Awesome Drummers...

I myself witness many Yamaha Drum Students after completing 2 years there....not being able to play what they learn in the pocket, not only this....The Yamaha Book 1 & 2 was taught according to the Notes as written..and not so much of creativity in the different ways of playing it from the text....I finished both books too, but played it very differently....taught by my teacher.

There is one thing sad about Yamaha - They don't teach you - Using Right Techniques in Drumming, without the right Techniques - 2 years is not a short time, so is it a long time - but WASTED TIME.....

So get a good Instructor is what counts,and not Yamaha...on a one-to-one basis...raindrop
 
I agree with you on the WASTED TIME statement, RudimentalDrummer.

I really wish that I had done more during my two years there. Sigh.


RudimentalDrummer said:
There is one thing sad about Yamaha - They don't teach you - Using Right Techniques in Drumming, without the right Techniques - 2 years is not a short time, so is it a long time - but WASTED TIME.....
 
killerbee: what are the costs of individual lessons at the music lab?

ok so it seems everyone's recommending individual lessons for foundation? i was thinking of perhaps joining yamaha group 1st ad maybe later switch to individual cos im not sure if my drumming interest will be shortlived. group courses are cheaper than individual ones, tts why. so what do u guys say? or shld i just take individual lessons right from the start?
 
wait. does it mean that once i start group drum lessons in yamaha i MUST complete the whole 2 years? i can still choose to dropout halfway rite.....
 
For Music Lab, it goes like this:

Monthly lessons: $140/mth

If you sign on for 3 months: $130/mth

If you sign on for 6 months: $120/mth

For both the 3 and 6 months options, you would have to pay one month's fees as deposit.

As for Yamaha, nope, you don't have to complete the whole 2 years. You can drop out anytime, but you have to give one month's notice to the school.

As for your suggestion of "perhaps joining yamaha group 1st ad maybe later switch to individual," I'm not sure about what to advice on that. It works, I guess. 'Coz I think the group lessons at Yamaha is just $60++ right? Using $60 to "test water" sounds reasonable.
 
killer bee is music lab the one with jimmy lee? i'm trying to get one of these teachers to give me a couple of lessons
 
joshie said:
killer bee is music lab the one with jimmy lee? i'm trying to get one of these teachers to give me a couple of lessons

there are a few people here who are great friends with jimmy lee.. and as for threadstarter, my suggestion is simply to join a good individual teacher....

No point wasting 70 dollars with yamaha.. remember, u would still be charged with registration fee and all those kinda stuff.. and from killerbee, she said that u have to give a one month's notice if u wanna quit... so what for pay 70 dollars when at the first place u wanna quit.. i guess they also need a deposit.. i don't know about this...

though many here didn't comment on yamaha being draggy and rip off.. well my 2 cents is really just join a individual lessons - alvin's really great!! try out with him for one month - 140$...

rather wasting from yamaha... One month $80 dollars, registration fee lets just say $20 dollars... and since u wanna quit u need to say one month in advance, so u have to go through two months... another $80 dollars... all in $180 dollars...

wah like that u join alvin 140... the 40 dollars blanja us makan or what ah.. aha..!
 
rainedrop said:
killerbee: what are the costs of individual lessons at the music lab?

ok so it seems everyone's recommending individual lessons for foundation? i was thinking of perhaps joining yamaha group 1st ad maybe later switch to individual cos im not sure if my drumming interest will be shortlived. group courses are cheaper than individual ones, tts why. so what do u guys say? or shld i just take individual lessons right from the start?

Bro...if you join the Group-Course 1st at Yamaha, being a New-Drummer...your interest stands a higher chance to be short-lived for sure. I tell you the reason.

(1) The 1st reason was stated (which is the most important one) - Learning Drums Using Right-Techniques...not that they don't teach you right techniques in Drumming (but just the basic) - Right/Left Foot....Hands very little......So if you find yourself not grooving after couples of month - you think to yourself - you are not cut for drumming - which is actually not so.

(2) With a class of sayeg 10 students. There is no way an Instructor can focus on individual weaknessess....Naturally some students are slower-learners and some are faster. The faster ones find it boring, the slower ones can't catch-up and both might give-up at end of day (it's when)...I mean this are some of the constraint.

(3) Yes Group lesson are cheaper, but think about it. What if you oneday have to unlearn what you have learned?...You go for lesson again...you end up spending more $$$$$ in fact.

PS:- My suggestion: - If Yamaha School Fees is what you have budgeted for the time being. Then, you can scout around here for Drum Instructors, who charged a minimum fees for Basics Drumming....for the interest of it or sharing their hobbies in a way too. I know a few of these drummers here...do have quite a number of Drum Students.....Then when you have more $$$$, get a Professional Drumming Instructor later-on.

You just need to post in SOFT...that you are looking for Instructor and they will PM you liao....Go For It....don't waste your time in Yamaha...not that they are no good, but you just can't improve at a faster rate than having an Individual Instructor who can FOCUS on your Drumming.

If you still insist on joining Yamaha - then you must still aske around here - Who Is The Prefered Drum Instrructor In Yamaha (there Are Some Better Ones)..you can and have to pick your Drumming Instructor...Do you know who you wantb to learn from there?...Some Teachers are very HOTT.TTTT one Kekekeke there.
Just my 2cent....cheers ! :lol:
 
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