PREAMP & DI - A bass player's guide

shinobi

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i decided to put this up because many bassists seem to be confused over the terminology, whereas this might not be so where guitarists are concerned. this is probably because many manufacturers combine preamps with DIs.

this is written using my own knowledge and experience, so it's by no means perfect. constructive input is welcome.

i'll try to use simple explanations without compromising too much on the accuracy of description.
Contents
1. etymology & description
2. preamp
3. DI
4. the relationship between preamp & DI
5. examples

1. etymology
& description


preamp - preamplifier
D.I. - direct injection

from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamplifier
A preamplifier (preamp), or control amp in some parts of the world, is an electronic amplifier which precedes another amplifier to prepare an electronic signal for further amplification or processing. The preamplifier circuitry may or may not be housed as a separate component.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DI_unit
A DI unit, DI box, Direct Box or simply DI is an electronic device that connects a high impedance, line level, unbalanced output signal to a low impedance mic level balanced input, usually via XLR connector. DIs are frequently used to connect an electric guitar or electric bass to a mixing console's microphone input. The DI performs level matching, balancing, and either active buffering or passive impedance bridging to minimise noise, distortion, and ground loops. DIs do not perform impedance matching.
most preamp pedals for bass do pretty much the same thing as the preamp of an amp.

2. preamp

amps comprise of 2 main sections - preamp + power amp

at the preamp stage you will have your input gain and EQ. this prepares the signal for the power amp, which will amplify the signal to 100W, 200W, 500W and so on. input gain is an active boost that might be called 'pre-gain', etc. after the power amp there is usually a passive cut that can be called 'post-gain', 'volume', etc. this, however, varies depending of the specifications of the amp.

most players, especially newer players, will be more familiar with combo amps. as the name suggests, it is a 'combo' of preamp, power amp and speaker cabinet.

perhaps i or someone else could make an amp FAQ as well.

there are 2 ways of looking at pedal preamps;
1. they perform essentially the same function as a pre-amp unit, in a pedal.
2. they perform essentially the same function as the preamp of an active bass (i.e. the electronic components of an active bass), in a pedal.

depending on the specs of the pedal, it could provide some EQ control, sometimes gain, sometimes drive, usually a buffer.

3. DI

a DI basically prepares the signal from your instrument for a mic-level input, such as a mixing console.

conventionally, DIs are more popular among bassists than guitarists because bassists usually play clean. hence they do not lose out much or may even benefit by going directly into the mixer.

on the other hand, it is common among guitarists to drive tube amps to the point that the signal clips. this is what you call overdrive or distortion. hence the type of amp and cab use factor heavily in their tone. as such, it is common for guitarists to use an amp+cab combination, which then goes into the mixer by placing a mic in front of the cab.

of course, in the modern day, effects are very common among bassists, due to experimentation and creative implementations in music today.

4. relationship between preamp & DI

as explained earlier, it was conventionally thought that bassists prefer a clean signal. this could be one explanation why DI is more common among bassists than guitarists.

the problem with DI is that since no amp is involved, the player has significantly less control over his tone.

manufacturers realised this and hence combined preamps with DIs.

5. examples

DIs :
Boss DI-1

preamps without DI:
Aguilar DB924
Xotic Bass BB Preamp
Sansamp Character Series

onboard preamps:
John East J-Retro
ACG
Audere
Aguilar OBP

preamp + DI:
Sadowsky Outboard Bass Preamp/DI
Sansamp Bass DI
Seymour Duncan Paranormal
MXR M-80 bass di+
 
most people use preamps to shape their tone, like my Sadowsky that somehow magically makes my tone better. does that mean that preamps are also tone shapers, much like EQ pedals?

also, what do you think about the whole DI/mic thing for bass? i've heard that some bassists also use the same method of mic-ing up as guitarists.
 
yeah you can say that. most preamps would add a certain kind of colour to the tone which is supposed to be desirable. such as the sadowsky as you mentioned, or the tube-like tone of the sansamp.

EQs offer much more tweakability, but in a way they are alot more 'transparent'.

another way of looking at it is that a preamp pedal makes a passive bass sound more like an active. but that could have many interpretations though.

it's perfectly fine for bassists to either DI or mic up. its more a case of it being very uncommon for guitarists to DI. but even that is changing as amp modelling technology for guitar is becoming more and more advanced.

personally if i mic up, i would regard the amp as part of my chain, just like how a preamp pedal would be. especially if i use alot of effects, because i find that amp settings can affect the way effects sound very drastically.

i would prefer to mic up rather than parallel DI because i want the sound coming out of the cab to be the same as the sound coming out of the house speakers. DI without amp is fine as long as there is good monitoring
 
good read i am constantly trying to downsize my board. to fit a mini. trying to get ride of the hartke bass attack and swap it witn an onboard pre.

any idea what pre is good to come close to bass attack?

i decided to swap out the zoom to make way for a smaller EBS MBII. that i think will be able to squeeze into a mini with the hartke out of the way.

idea? need to downsize the band is going for a tour soon
 
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hey dumbcube,
i am waiting so long for davis to bring in the ebs mbII but still out of stock,..
any other place i can get it here in SG ?

btw, those pedal pre-amp (hartke bass attack, sansamp, ebs,..etc,..) the onboard pre-amp function exactly the same? then if i have active bass, no need of those pedals ?
 
your active bass would probably have a 2 or 3 band eq, so in that sense it would be the same. however, many preamps would colour the tone. so if you are in it for the colouration a preamp would do it. different preamps would also have different controls so it depends on what would suit your needs.

for some equipment its not such a crazy idea to use more than one, such as preamps and compressors. as long as you know how to implement them effectively. i think marcus miller uses 2 outboard preamps if im not mistaken.
 
i guess i just need to stick to getting a EBS MBII, when they become available.

i still love passive as compare to active. but i reckon active with a kill switch would work great in a gig situations.
 
hey dumbcube,
i am waiting so long for davis to bring in the ebs mbII but still out of stock,..
any other place i can get it here in SG ?

btw, those pedal pre-amp (hartke bass attack, sansamp, ebs,..etc,..) the onboard pre-amp function exactly the same? then if i have active bass, no need of those pedals ?

I only know Davis carries them. Not sure if anyone else does.

They function similarly, but I still use my EQ on my DI to further shape my tone. This is because my active bass runs out to my compressor and the other pedals, and ends at the DI. I tend to control the EQ of my bass, and do some fine tuning/shaping with the DI preamp. Shinobi is right, it depends on how you use them. Plus you tend to realise EQing from different preamps colour and shape your tone differently. Go play around. You'll find alot of joy in it.
 
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