overplaying is a seriously blurry line i feel. soloing aside alot of the times knowing wat to play is really difficult. alot of the times i feel if u just listen to the music and not ur drums the music will alot of the times let u know wat it needs. go with ur gut it works for me.
Overplaying? (drums)
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cookiepukie
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Sometimes Less is more, don't you think?
TequilaSunrise
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To quote Tommy Lee, "Drum solos are pretty much a waste of concert time".
For me, I don't really like drum solos if there is an excessive use of crash. Double bass is fine, as long as there is some vibe to the music. I'd rather the drummer show off some unconventional grooves for people to 'discover'. Speed is one thing, style is another. I personally like style, but I am still impressed by speed.
For me, I don't really like drum solos if there is an excessive use of crash. Double bass is fine, as long as there is some vibe to the music. I'd rather the drummer show off some unconventional grooves for people to 'discover'. Speed is one thing, style is another. I personally like style, but I am still impressed by speed.
Funkifized
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Why oh why can't drummers play musically on their drums? Why oh why must drum solos be rhythmic and not melodic...? 
Funkifized said:Why oh why can't drummers play musically on their drums? Why oh why must drum solos be rhythmic and not melodic...?
I feel that drummers should not forget that we are playing a MUSICAL instrument. We use drums to create music and not noise. So it is important that we are not obsessed into playing as fast as we can be. Play for the music! Good drummers always do that!
Check out this movie clip of Jeff Hamilton for an idea to play a musical solo:
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/Jeffhamilton.html
Cheers.....
Funkifized
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word.
i just don't understand why so many drummers fail to recognise the tone and pitch of their drums. its as if rhythm's the only possible thing to produce on drums.
i just don't understand why so many drummers fail to recognise the tone and pitch of their drums. its as if rhythm's the only possible thing to produce on drums.
hmm.. interesting topic. no doubt as drummers we shoudn't overplay wat the music requires. but i had diff opinions about solos
musical solos are indeed nice. but how musical can u get without chops? u need the vocabs to form a sentence... are u able to express what you want? a common style of playing for jazz to to fill in the rhythm by the soloist. well u can fill in or play againist.. etc. but thats all based on rhythm. rhythms are no doubt very impt in solos. well i certainly wish to know how musical can one get in a jazz suituation. A soloist plays in the key of A ... so? r u suppose to tune your drums to A note? well i am generalising. look at terry bozzie! i guess we should not categorise it as "musical". i seriously think it doesn't fit in. we should use "PHRASINGS". i tink thats a better word. chops + phrasings = good solo!? well tat fomula works for me.
thats my opinion.
musical solos are indeed nice. but how musical can u get without chops? u need the vocabs to form a sentence... are u able to express what you want? a common style of playing for jazz to to fill in the rhythm by the soloist. well u can fill in or play againist.. etc. but thats all based on rhythm. rhythms are no doubt very impt in solos. well i certainly wish to know how musical can one get in a jazz suituation. A soloist plays in the key of A ... so? r u suppose to tune your drums to A note? well i am generalising. look at terry bozzie! i guess we should not categorise it as "musical". i seriously think it doesn't fit in. we should use "PHRASINGS". i tink thats a better word. chops + phrasings = good solo!? well tat fomula works for me.
thats my opinion.
Funkifized
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when i say musical, i don't mean you tune your drums to fit the key that the song is in (though that would be awesome). rather, what im saying is that it should fit the music, and yes, phrasing. Phrasing must be coherent and interesting... when i say musical, probably what i mean is 'getting your message across'.
think about a certain guitar riff in any song. now try to play that on your drums. you may look at me and go 'siao, how is that possible.' but you won't know before you try. use your limited palette of sounds to sound as alike to the guitar riff as you can. you'll be surprised as to what may come out of it. that, to me, is to think of drumming in a melodic way. it may not SOUND melodic all the time, but if you let someone hear the original riff, and then your drums' replication of that riff, i'm sure they'll think its cool.
and yes terry bozzio plays in a wicked mix a melody and rhythm... he often plays ostinatos with 2 or more limbs and solos melodically over it. that is absolutely killer and is ANOTHER way of playing drums, not the WRONG way. different does not = wrong.
i don't think chops are always necessary either... as long as you make the audience feel good about it, that's good enough. you have to understand that not everyone understands pataflaflas and inverted doubles, but everyone understands melody and melodic phrasing.
or you could be lazy and not think, instead relying on a barrage of notes that the audience finds cool, just because its a lot of fast notes. :?
think about a certain guitar riff in any song. now try to play that on your drums. you may look at me and go 'siao, how is that possible.' but you won't know before you try. use your limited palette of sounds to sound as alike to the guitar riff as you can. you'll be surprised as to what may come out of it. that, to me, is to think of drumming in a melodic way. it may not SOUND melodic all the time, but if you let someone hear the original riff, and then your drums' replication of that riff, i'm sure they'll think its cool.
and yes terry bozzio plays in a wicked mix a melody and rhythm... he often plays ostinatos with 2 or more limbs and solos melodically over it. that is absolutely killer and is ANOTHER way of playing drums, not the WRONG way. different does not = wrong.
i don't think chops are always necessary either... as long as you make the audience feel good about it, that's good enough. you have to understand that not everyone understands pataflaflas and inverted doubles, but everyone understands melody and melodic phrasing.
or you could be lazy and not think, instead relying on a barrage of notes that the audience finds cool, just because its a lot of fast notes. :?
keep its simple, keep it tight, on certain times, fill in to bring the music to another level.
to me, drum solos are nice when its of a rhythmic structure, technique is nice for bits here and there.
groove is the most important, you would like the crowd to clap and feel the beat wit you right ? or u wan the crowd to watch for a while and say :" is he repeating all the stuffs he did just now,? when will it end ?"
to me, drum solos are nice when its of a rhythmic structure, technique is nice for bits here and there.
groove is the most important, you would like the crowd to clap and feel the beat wit you right ? or u wan the crowd to watch for a while and say :" is he repeating all the stuffs he did just now,? when will it end ?"
polka-tulk
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i'm rather new to the whole drumming thingy, and what i'm reading really makes alot of sense, kudos to all of u all
overplaying occurs when the drummer lacks knowledge, he/she got the chops and all, applies them at the wrong intervals. the fills/chops are not suited to the type of song/flavour, totally not tasteful at all.
wonder if their mind is going, 'tonites armageddon, i better throw it all in before it happens' :lol: to make matters worse, the execution is out of tempo :roll: hehe just sharing a past experience
good tempo and groove + intelligent application of chops = solid Driver of a band, the drummer.
wonder if their mind is going, 'tonites armageddon, i better throw it all in before it happens' :lol: to make matters worse, the execution is out of tempo :roll: hehe just sharing a past experience
good tempo and groove + intelligent application of chops = solid Driver of a band, the drummer.
