over rated and under rated guitar brands

[Likui]

over rated: ibanez, suhr, epiphone (not including Japan made epiphones), gibson, PRS, schecter, DEAN, taylor

under rated: godin (includes all their sub-brands), G&L, Jackson/Charvel (before being bought over by Fender), Kramer (before being bought over by Gibson), tokai, greco, burny, fernandes, martin, Hamer (refering only to their USA made guitars), steinberger (before being bought over by Gibson), Parker, Orville

neither over rated nor under rated: fender, bc rich, yamaha, ESP, TGM (hehe)

disputed: ed roman guitars, zachary guitars

feel free to add on and discuss.

van halen why you say kramer is under rated? that one is your signature guitar right? I see youtube van halen use the guitar is kramer right? that one should be just nice rated at least for you, or did kramer did something to you?

How about Samick the made in korea one, what kind of rating u give?

 

[superpotato_30]

Dont go round and round with you?

If u acknowledged that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, whats the point of this thread?

You will never come to a consensus.

woops looks like it wasnt my last post.

 

[van_halen]

worked up? look at the post above my last one asking dodgethis to shut his trap lol. ironic aint it.

Im not a diehard gibson fan. Im just trying to provide an objective view. Deal with it.

I think heritages are overrated. please scold me.

i wasn't being worked up. i just do not pander to trolls like him, and it's appropriate for anyone to tell a troll to shut up. so you are defending him eh, reflects who you are as well.

you are being objective? so by quelling discussion, you are being very objective? people cannot discuss brands? die die must have your way?

your problem

 

[van_halen]

Dont go round and round with you?

If u acknowledged that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, whats the point of this thread?

You will never come to a consensus.

woops looks like it wasnt my last post.

then you don't start threads lor, cos everyone has opinions and if you start a thread to discuss something you are shoving your opinion down everyone's throats. saves you the problem of trolls destroying your threads too.

oh, then you post for what? you can have opinion other people cannot?

 

[superpotato_30]

i wasn't being worked up. i just do not pander to trolls like him, and it's appropriate for anyone to tell a troll to shut up. so you are defending him eh, reflects who you are as well.

you are being objective? so by quelling discussion, you are being very objective? people cannot discuss brands? die die must have your way?

your problem

so.. next time a moderator wants to warn someone, he doesnt tell him in a more humane manner to kindly stop his misdoings instead he tells him to ********** or he will **** his mum and ban him etc.

Reflects you too doesnt it?

Go see. he edited his post and i think it makes the most sense.

Comment on my posts as much as you want, but indirectly insinuating an insult?

I prefer to do it directly.

im just gonna say your thread making from the past has been pointless brainless and only reflects your retardedness. from the time of the poll making to the new trend of under and over rating stuff from guitars to bands has been most amusing.


See you. wont visit this thread again.

 

[funktastic]

dont fight lur brudders.

a thread is just to share opinions whatttt. after all different people all have different opinions. and your opinions are shaped by your beliefs. seeing different opinions and thinking about them might help to change your beliefs and in turn your opinions. if threads are all so unproductive, then we wouldnt even have forums in the first place.

relaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[Loreal]

How about Samick the made in korea one, what kind of rating u give?

My friend uses a MIK Samick Les Paul and so far I don't hear any complains from him, it's a good guitar does it job and that's it.

 

[van_halen]

van halen why you say kramer is under rated? that one is your signature guitar right? I see youtube van halen use the guitar is kramer right? that one should be just nice rated at least for you, or did kramer did something to you?

How about Samick the made in korea one, what kind of rating u give?

sorry i cannot give my opinions liao, otherwise superpotato will clamp down on me

 

[dodgethis]

dodgethis, if you have nothing constructive to say, just shut your hole. this is soft not some other forums where people like to put up useless pics that add no value to discussions.

Value in this discussion??!?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

This whole thread started with you stating your opinion on guitar brands and making it sound as though it is abosulte truth and that no one is allowed to refute it. This is not a discussion! It's a defense of your opinion and why other's opinions are wrong! This thread completely lost its purpose the moment you started it.

 

[van_halen]

so.. next time a moderator wants to warn someone, he doesnt tell him in a more humane manner to kindly stop his misdoings instead he tells him to ********** or he will **** his mum and ban him etc.

Reflects you too doesnt it?

Go see. he edited his post and i think it makes the most sense.

Comment on my posts as much as you want, but indirectly insinuating an insult?

I prefer to do it directly.

im just gonna say your thread making from the past has been pointless brainless and only reflects your retardedness. from the time of the poll making to the new trend of under and over rating stuff from guitars to bands has been most amusing.


See you. wont visit this thread again.

don't put words into my mouth. what i said to dodgethis is appropriate, not more, not less. putting words into others' mouth reflects alot about you.

me indirectly insinuating an insult? that's purely YOUR OPINION. and your direct insults are just flames, troll.

wah my threads all lousy ah. shit, everyone better stop posting, starting threads liao. or else in superpotato may view you as a retard, and superpotato's opinion is gold!

 

[asdf]

Overrated: Branding

Underrated: Practice

+infinity

guitars aren't overrated nor underrated. the players are.

 

[van_halen]

Value in this discussion??!?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

This whole thread started with you stating your opinion on guitar brands and making it sound as though it is abosulte truth and that no one is allowed to refute it. This is not a discussion! It's a defense of your opinion and why other's opinions are wrong! This thread completely lost its purpose the moment you started it.

sigh. how many times must i repeat myself that it's my opinion what brands are over or under rated, and they are not pushed as absolute truth? did i say nobody can refute it? i welcomed people to chip in and discuss what brands are over or under rated but trolls like you and superpotato, instead of discussing the brands, come in to flame me. i think the mods ought to do something about the 2 of u.

from your post, it seems like your opinion is gold and others' opinions are wrong!

 

[van_halen]

i never talked about QC, i just mentioned then a brand might seem over-rated cos its more well known.
if you can't understand, let me explain with numerals.

take for instance, 1000 people know about GIBSON and 500 say that its good while the other 500 remain neutral. (50%)
whilst for ESP, probably 500 people know about it since its not as exposed as gibson. and out of this 500, 400 say ESP is good. (80%)

so back to my point, i'm just saying that you saying a brand is over-rated is not really established. its just more people know about the brand, so more people are talking about it.

and if guitars are so poorly made, why would some artiste even bother to endorse it lest like it? if its poorly made, it's gonna affect their sound which most probably lead them to not even bothering about endorsing the brand.


errrr guys. relaxxxxxxxxx. its a thread meant for discussion. though some brands i like might seem over rated. i don't give a damn cos its not to ME ME ME ME ME.

ok, i understand your point about exposure. makes sense to me.

and i have to add that out of all the brands mentioned in this thread, whether over rated, under rated, or neither, they all are capable of making at least decent guitars. not that sure about TGM though. so the thing is, any manufacturer with artiste endorsements will be capable of making solid pro level guitars.

my only beef is with the general public over or under rating certain brands, in an ideal world, all brands will fall into the "neither" category but this world is not perfect.

 

[dodgethis]

sigh. how many times must i repeat myself that it's my opinion what brands are over or under rated, and they are not pushed as absolute truth? did i say nobody can refute it? i welcomed people to chip in and discuss what brands are over or under rated but trolls like you and superpotato, instead of discussing the brands, come in to flame me. i think the mods ought to do something about the 2 of u.

from your post, it seems like your opinion is gold and others' opinions are wrong!

No, my opinion isn't gold.It ain't so cheap. It's platinum.

Perhaps if you would like a better discussion, maybe you can try TGP. I'm sure the people there will be more than welcome to accomodate you and your opinions.

 

[ymmak]

+infinity

guitars aren't overrated nor underrated. the players are.

Oh no. Dont give the TS any more ideas. He may just start a "Which guitarists are over/underrated?" thread.

 

[dudelove]

maybe you can try TGP. I'm sure the people there will be more than welcome to accomodate you and your opinions.

There are lots of that type of threads. Just that they use the word HYPE instead. Over hyped and under hyped. Technically, over hyped and overrated has different meanings but still..

The only difference between the "discussion" here and on TGP is, on TGP, everyones reply is:

Overhyped: Brand X

Underhyped: Brand Y

and so on so forth, hardly any explaination.

So van_halen has something to be proud of, if you get what I mean

 

[dudelove]

Oh no. Dont give the TS any more ideas. He may just start a "Which guitarists are over/underrated?" thread.

He already did.

 

[van_halen]

^ very funny eh ymmak. it seems to me that this forum no longer supports discussion of music/gear related topics. everyday i go to music kopitiam i see edmw style topics, now why don't you chip in your valuable sarcastic remarks there?

 

[van_halen]

There are lots of that type of threads. Just that they use the word HYPE instead. Over hyped and under hyped. Technically, over hyped and overrated has different meanings but still..

The only difference between the "discussion" here and on TGP is, on TGP, everyones reply is:

Overhyped: Brand X

Underhyped: Brand Y

and so on so forth, hardly any explaination.

So van_halen has something to be proud of, if you get what I mean

why thank you, i'm sure you are very proud of pulling off another useless sarcastic oh so funny lameass remark.

 

[Ized]

Its all perspective. One example of such is:

Overrated: shredding

Underrated: post-rock

My experience is that people will go to lengths to exploit what is "underrated" just to stand out from the crowd. That is also overrated, at least to me.

Moral of the story: Be true to yourself, dont just follow or diss trends just because "its cool to do it"