mike clarke

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hey so who has heard of mike clarke here?
next to david garibladi, gaylord birch, mike clarke is the other ground breaking funk drummer around.
he pioneered something called linear funk where no limbs play in unison.
he's blues drummer that learned jazz and played funk in a jazz context.
seminal albums:
herbie hancock - thrust
herbie hancock - flood

famous song is actual proof by hancock
 
Btw, it's Mike Clark, without the 'e'.

Not to be confused with Michael Clarke, the late drummer for The Byrds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Clarke_(musician)

There's an actual Herbie track on drummerworld - Actual Proof
http://www.drummerworld.com/Sound/MikeClarkActualproof.mp3

Along with two tracks from other records.

I'm wondering why he didn't retune his toms/bass in those dvd extracts, imo, the boppish tuning doesn't lend itself too well for funk.
 
right thanks for the correction.

abt the bass drum, yah i dunno man it kind of grows on you after awhile.

it's so hard to play. transcribing it is gonna be an effort
 
Mike Clark is a jazz drummer. As of all jazz drummer, the bass drum is always tuned higher. Check out records by Elvin Jones, Tony Williams etc. You should have that the bassdrum has a tone instead of the "thud" sound. I tune my bassdrum in this way too. BTW, I use a 16" BD.
 
Yeah, I know, hence the reference to "boppish tuning". The point is, dude, he's playing funk here :lol:
 
yes, I know he is playing funk here.

But you have to take into consideration that he is a jazz drummer first then a funk drummer. Therefore, he tends to skew towards the jazz tuning. Personal preference lah....
 
well mannnn there's more than one way to skin a cat really. fair enough u dun like it, there are some things i dun like abt clark's playing too.
but i reckon when u start fusing stuff together tht u dun normally do it opens up so many cool ideas. synergy is the key to bring something new into a genre.
 
But you have to take into consideration that he is a jazz drummer first then a funk drummer. Therefore, he tends to skew towards the jazz tuning. Personal preference lah....

Then to me, such a drummer is more interested in playing for himself, than playing for the music. It's one thing to fuse different elements and concepts together, and quite another to not recognize where it crosses the line, stops serving the music, and sticks out like a sore thumb.

From what I've noticed from most professionals & sessionists who are proficient in multiple genres, Steve Gadd for one, regardless of their roots, they know what's required for that particular genre they're playing, and they bring it to the table. They serve the music, not themselves.

Yeah, Clark probably likes the way it sounds, and probably saw it as a chance to have it his way on his own DVD.

I'm not saying Clark's wrong or made the wrong choice, just making an observation, maybe everyone else besides me digs the tuning, maybe I'll learn to appreciate it in time too.

When all's said, I appreciate innovators like Clark, who aren't afraid to experiment. But that doesn't mean if it doesn't sound right to us, we just say "Oh, he's experimenting." If it sounds bad to me, I'm going to say it and bring it up for discussion. We can all benefit from that. :)

Questions for all:
- Do you like the tuning in the youtube clips shared above?
- In your opinion, does it suit the style he was playing in those clips?
- If yes, why? If no, why?

Question for ya BebopIggy, would you turn up for a rock gig with your 16" BD, tuned the way it's tuned right now?

Irrelevant to this thread: Is that a converted floor tom or are you playing something like a Sonor Jungle kit? Do share. Love the tone you can get outta a 16" BD.
 
Ok personal opinion: the bass drum is totally inappropriate. It sounds like the next tom in his tom series. A beat has to have a low note and a high note in order to create the illusion of structure... in this case I think that the distinction between the lowest note and the other notes is too small. It just feels weird.

Might work for jazz maybe, but if it's in jazz, the bass drum would be feathered. You wouldn't hear it like this.

And just for the record, I think Clark needs to have more space in his playing. It's too busy... even if it's linear drum patterns. Again, JMHO.
 
I think exposure is how we all learn....try doing some research and start listening to the earlier funk tunes.....alot of bass drum sounds open like this....and the sound of the backing track immulates the earlier funk sound....so his bass drum sound is totally appropriate!

And funkifized....feathering of the bass drum is only one of the many technique used in jazz settings to create a light regular pulse...its again a musical decision...in alot of jazz tunes, the bass drum is used like any other drum on the kit....with loud, soft and medium punctuations....
 
I mentioned that it was only my opinion. I HAVE listened to old style funk but I didn't like it. Again, my preference. I FEEL it is inappropriate.

As for the jazz bass drum thing, ya got me there. BUT i was referring more to the use of such an open tone bass drum in a backbeat setting like funk. It's weird to me. TO ME. :?
 
yup okie u've gotten ur point across, u dun like mike clark. and its ur opinion and not "gospel". it's cool dun stress man. stress leads to anxiety, anxiety leads to no girls liking you, no girls liking u leads to porn, and porn leads to the dark side.
 
u dun like mike clark. and its ur opinion and not "gospel".

Wow, really? I didn't even know that! I thought I just disliked the bass drum sound. You must have some pretty nifty dark side powers to read my mind! 8)
 
Hey....relax!!!! In the first place, my first para wasn't in reply to your post (Funkifized)....and even if I was replying to you....I didn't see anything in my post that was offensive....

Actually, I hope you're not into funk drumming...if you are, you better start liking those "old style" funk....to be good in any style, you gotta first love the roots!

As for the Jazz drumming bit...I did not mean to "Get" anyone....I was simply trying to share what I know.....maybe I should share in a foreign forum instead.....its always getting too hot in here....
 
well okie, this thread getting abit confrontational.

is there anyone who has something which they like abt his playing?

i mean freaking come on one of the innovatiors of funk here and all tht's said tht he shld change his bass drum sound?
has any noticed how much this has changed funk? Funk fusion there wasn't such a genre until mike clark did thrust.

clark is as impt to funk as david garibaldi, benny benjamin(motown), zigaboo modeliste(meters), clyde stubbfleid(james brown)

i mean wat the hell man, listen to him. maybe u dun like his bass drum sound what abt his playing?? there is so much to learn and so much understand abt clark's playing...
 
Chill ya'll, I think everyone here is just contributing their own observations. Everyone has their own convictions, likes and dislikes.

I pretty much dig anyone who puts his heart into what he does, and Clark has got loads of that.

maybe I should share in a foreign forum instead....

Hey alvin, can't help but agree with ya. It's always hotter here at home :wink:
 
I didn't mean to be confrontational dudes! If I came across that way then well, it's not like that at all. I just got the feeling that people are chalking up my musical preferences to lack of experience. Which is weird. Isn't music art?

And as for discussing what Mike Clark has to offer, well hey I don't know much about him. But there isn't much to discuss if people who know about him don't share some media and point out what's there to learn from him. I haven't heard anything beyond Actual Proof and his book Funk Drumming: innovative Grooves and Advanced Concepts (which I haven't really worked on btw), so why not some of the pros on this board point me out to stuff they would like to share? Notations? Links? Audio?

I mean, you put a forum topic about this guy, what are we going to talk about? How great he is? Is that all? Is there anything educational?
 
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