Ludwig dealers in Singapore?

[Perishz]

Any to be found locally ?

 

[weckl-x]

Ludwig website just lists this as the Singapore dealer:

Megantara Indo Cargo Pte Ltd
1765 Geylang Bahru 01-11
SINGAPORE SINGAPORE

They're owned by Conn-Selmer. I suggest you drop them an email.

Contact the Conn-Selmer Customer Service department by e-mail at custserv@conn-selmer.com. (Note: You will recieve a reply via e-mail within 48 hours.)

I believe I've seen the lower-end Ludwig Accents in either Sweelee or Ranking before...

 

[Perishz]

Thanks. :wink:

 

[knvt]

SweeLee only have 1 or a few or even none i recalled? Ludwig, is this brand good? it seem to be quite good..but not much Ludwig users in singapore..mostly go for pearl, tama and yamaha i guess? whats e price range for Ludwig set? e cheapest one?

 

[jEva]

I may say its good. its bonhams kit right?

The one in sweelee is, if im not mistaken, lower end.

 

[phantompong]

I have a Ludwig Accent CS Combo, which is the lowest end Ludwig set. I'm not sure about now but it used to be available at Swee Lee for $630.

Black Panthers are by Mapex. The Mapex dealer in S'pore is DRMP at Excelsior, and they're great snares, but I believe you mean the Black Beauty. Other famous Ludwig snares include the Supraphonic and the Acrolite.

Ludwig is definitely a name brand. It's one of the famous American brands. Bonham was a Ludwig player, but the drummers that made Ludwig famous to begin with include Buddy Rich and Ringo. More recently, drummers such as Tre Cool and Ronnie Vannucci (the Killers) are playing Ludwig.

 

[weckl-x]

Yeah, I believe the Ludwig Accents are from Taiwan, and the Accent CS from China.

Nobody will dispute that even these in the lower line a're value for money.

 

[noobshitdrumstick]

Bingo weckl-x haha

 

[RudimentalDrummer]

Ludwig, like Rogers & Gretsch drums use to be the best...not today anymore, the Japs have taken over...unless you are buying Vintage Drums then yes.

I just can't understand why these companies let their image tarnish down, when they were once the most Reputable. Unlike DW (US Brands) - is reknown for it's Quality......

Hm.mmmm how sad.

 

[weckl-x]

I just can't understand why these companies let their image tarnish down, when they were once the most Reputable. Unlike DW (US Brands) - is reknown for it's Quality......

It's my understanding that there were a lot of reasons the old American Gretsch, Leedy, Ludwig, Slingerland, Rogers didn't manage to succeed.

For Gretsch, they started to do really well during the jazz era. But the advent of rock music had already begun to take its toll on Gretsch sales. Ringo and Ludwig grabbed the majority share of the new market. The Gretsch company had Charlie Watts and the Monkees as endorsers, but it seemed as if management expected rock and roll music to be a short-lived trend. Bad move.

Over the next 20 years the Gretsch drum division survived, but withered in Baldwin's inept hands. Disinterested management, relocations, natural disasters (including plant fires and floods), poor design choices, and a lack of focus in marketing strategy all served to lose the interest of the general public. Gretsch lost virtually all of its major endorsers and eventually went into a state of suspended animation.

Most of it was due to poor business decisions, not adapting to new movements in music fast enough, of course, not forgetting the low-cost asian makers like Pearl and Tama coming in to makan their market.

My guess is that DW escaped most of those troubles that the other makers faced because they only started building drums pretty late (compared to the rest), in the late 80's-early 90's.

 

[kari_convention]

I just can't understand why these companies let their image tarnish down, when they were once the most Reputable. Unlike DW (US Brands) - is reknown for it's Quality......

well said w-x,
DW is relatively 'new' in Drums compared to Japan Giants.
Their beautiful round lugs also are not invented by themselves, they bought the pattern from Camco.
ASIA BOLEH! :lol:

 

[RudimentalDrummer]

They need good marketing guys. Weckl..to rejuvenate their Brand..refocusing on their core strength.....which they are still holding on to -the equity & brand...companies like Ludwig, Roger, Gretsch, Slingerland ..not really a difficult task...just no effort was really put into it I guess....what to do?

DW to me is a very successful Drum company - though they started late..good marketing & R&D company indeed to have build the Brand Image till todate within a shorter time

 

[weckl-x]

Lol, Asia boleh! haha.

Btw, DW was not the only one who makan Camco when they went bankrupt, Tama was also in the deal.

Was quite surprised when I first read about this a few years back.

Tama and Drum Workshop (DW) jointly bought the bankrupt Camco Drum Company. As part of the deal, DW received the Camco tooling and manufacturing equipment while Tama received the Camco name, designs, engineering and patent rights.

At the time, Camco was producing what was thought to be the best drum pedal on the market. DW continued production of the pedal using the original tooling, rebadging it as the DW5000. Tama began production of the same pedal under the Camco name. The Tama version of the Camco pedal is commonly referred to as the Tamco pedal to distinguish it from an original Camco pedal. Tama integrated all the engineering from Camco into their production process and the overall level of quality of their drums increased virtually overnight. The original plan was to market the low end Tama drums to beginners and use the Camco brand to sell high end drums to professional musicians. Unfortunately, even the professionals were starting to use the Tama drums because the low cost of the Asian made drums with the (now) high quality of hardware was a great combination.

Tama discontinued the Camco line, and started producing high end drumsets under the Tama name. The Tamco pedal was eventually rebadged as the Iron Cobra and is still available today. The Iron Cobra has the same configuration options as the original Camco pedal and the current DW5000 pedal. These are Power Glide, Rolling Glide and Flexi Glide. Power Glide pedals have an offset cam chain drive. This causes the beater to accelerate faster towards the end of the pedal stroke. This drive system is identical to the DW Accelerator pedals (DW5000AD or DW5000AX models) or the Camco Deluxe model bass drum pedals. The Rolling Glide pedals maintain a fixed ratio of footboard speed to beater speed and the drive system is identical to the DW Turbo pedals (DW5000TD3 or DW5000CX). Finally, the Flexi Glide pedals are a nylon strap driven pedal that has the exact same drive system that was found on the Camco pedals in the 50s. Again, DW makes a pedal with this same drive system under the DW5000ND3 and DW5000NX model names.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tama_Seisakusho

 

[marcdadrummer]

wow! now im proud to have a rolling aka 5000td3 or cx! damn didn't know bout this...

thanks mr hozea for all the usefull information u gave....

but tell me, how did camco eventually goes bankrupt??

 

[weckl-x]

Not really known though, the reason. Maybe they had good hardware, but weren't sure how to market them? Seems like that's what a lot of the old companies suffered from, a lack of marketing strategy.

The story from Don Lombardi, the founder of DW, is that in the 1970s, he was teaching the son of Camco's then owner, Tom Beckman. Which resulted in Tom Beckham approaching Don with an offer to sell him Camco’s machinery, dies and molds, everything it took to make Camco drums and hardware—everything except the Camco name itself.

http://www.dwdrums.com/about/index.htm
http://camcodrummer.com/history.htm