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okie guys, what are some jazz albums you really like?
anyone have any tips on playing really fast bebop like ard 250bpm?
wats ur approach on the sprang a lang cymbal pattern? do u accent all the quater notes like john riley said or do u just accent 2 and 4?
and wats ur grip like when does it?
 
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Favourite Jazz Albums

A lot but to name a few:

1) Kind of Blue - Miles Davis
2) Workin' - Miles Davis
3) Milestones - Miles Davis
4) Any album by Oscar Peterson Trio - with Ed Thigpen on drums
5) Love Supreme - John Coltrane

Tips on playing fast ride pattern

Same old method: practice with a metronome, be accurate with the note spacing, and stay relax. Speed will come eventually.

Playing of Jazz triplets

I accent beats 2 and 4 instead of John Riley's accenting on all 4 quarter notes.

Type of Grip

Are you talking about the grip in the right hand when playing the ride cymbal or the grip when playing jazz in general.

When playing the ride cymbal, I tend to use the French grip, but when playing on the snare drum, my right hand uses the German grip.

I use traditional grip for most of my playing.

Cheers...

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Oh man I can't tell you the albums coz I don't know their names ahahahahah! I choose my albums based on the style of playing and who the drummer is. The ones I like are any songs with Brian Blade, Bill Stewart, Ian Froman or Elvin Jones on drums.

Some of the artistes are:

Sheryl Bailey
Rick Margitza
Woflgang Schalk
Joshua Redman
John Scofield Trio

There's also this guy called Bob Berg. I have no idea who the drummer is but man that guy's KILLER!

As for super fast bebop, I use a combination of my forearm, wrist, fingers, full stroke and moeller technique. Sound like a lot but if I were to break down my natural arm motion into detailed parts that's what I'm doing. Sorta like bouncing the stick off the ride with control. It's hard to explain. I'll have to show it to you hahahahahaahah!

As for the hihat, if i'm playing really fast I accent on 2 and 4. If I'm playing moderately (200bpm and below), my hihat comps along with my bass drum and snare. By default my hihat automatically plays on 2 and 4 though.

As for grip, I use matched grip. It's not french nor german nor american. It's just this rather interesting grip which I learnt that combines both french and german together. It's really weird but it works REALLY well for me.

Man I talk too much ahahahahahah!
 
hah think you had enough on the advice, mines around the same.
artiste is the most important factor that influences your drumming, well ilisten mainly to:

miles davis - kind of blue (a must have)
john mclaughlin - industrial zen
thelonius monk/john coltrane (some of the best trad jazz stuff you'll hear)
spyro gyra and soulive (more of funk fusion though)

hm try out some homegrown bands too like blairs bunch and jeremy monteiro, they're albums are worth a shot.
 
Hi joshie,

You need to practice your jazz ride pattern more. Learn how to swing it. Forget about the left hand comping for the time beginning.

Listen to Art Blakey and Ed Thigpen. They are one of the guys who swings their ass off.
 
Yep i realised i dont have the swing factor. anyways do you know of any good comping books? the art of bebop? do you happen to know whats inside? was thinking of the jazz standards for drums book but yea.. not too sure
 
Art of Bebop has lots of comping ideas, it is a good book to get. Advance Technique for the Modern Drummer by Jim Chapin is also a book to get.

Like I said earlier, listen to Ed Thigpen to learn how to swing. He played with Oscar Peterson Trio with Ray Brown on bass! These three guys swing their ass off! Ed Thigpen is also a great brush player.
 
Nope, but cusrrently trying to work things out with a new jazz band.

Just buy any albums by Oscar Peterson Trio, you won;t go wrong. Also, buy any albums by Art Blakey.
 
hey man, if i cld give my 2 cents. play along to records with just the right hand sprang a lang then add ur left foot. it shld sound clean and sharp.
the playing in 2 pattern on the hats is impt as well.
bebop is right dun do comping just yet.
i learnt alot from going to gigs and watching the older guys play.
 
hey guys, i highly recommend this book

advanced techniques for the modern drummer by jim chapin. a really old guy. juz to introduce u to this man, he is the direct student of the one who invented the moeller stroke, the late mr standford august moeller.

this book has alot of excercises to teach you on your coordination. wad more is that all are jazz based grovves. so if u really like jazz, this book will strengthen your coordination and at the same time learn jazz grooves.

but of course, not all grooves are there. the most impt thing is to play according to wad you feel, not relying on the book for grooves.

can't be bought in singapore. amazon and ebay got sell.

cheers,
jack
 
1st I have to sincerely ...Thank my good friend & Mentor in a way Mr. Franklin Wong who was really the 1st-person who recommend & introduce me to Jazz Music...

The 1st 8 Songs I know - was a CD given by him to me this year - All The Things You're, Autumn Leaves, Bemsha Swing, Blue Bossa, Night In Tunisia,7 Steps To Heaven,So What, Take The A-Train....Frankly I still cannot play all the songs just the slower ones......and I bluff alot here Kekekekeke .... just Swinging my right hand (then Bass Drum & Snare Drum) I bedek...comming in at as and when I want.........but as I play along with these songs after a while - I can Feel It....I Can Feel The Swing ... I comp at a time I think I should (I don't know If I'm correct)...but at least I know how to think I should comp at a time...Hahahaha so funny...and I grew to love Jazz due to Franklin...It just my thanks to him here.

In actual fact, I do not know what type of Jazz Songs I should buy to practice for my Drumming....I bought the "Tribute To Buddy Rich", "Dave Weckl - Master Plan"...wah...so difficult to play lah........but...I've now learn to love Jazzs..and I'm thankful...but I cannot hear those 1930s Jazz...especially got singing one - I really can sleep after 5 minutes (don't know why)...I love Fusion of course.

Question: - Is it true that if a drummer wants to learn to play Jazz Music....He has to Listen, listen and listen to alot of these Jazz Songs....it's all about FEEL at the end of the day.
 
they're are two ways, either you already have the feel. or that you learn more from the cd's. the groove gets into you.
 
Those drummers interested in checking out some live jazz:

Hi everyone,

WIRED will be performing at Blujaz Cafe on Thursday,
11 Jan 2007. The band rarely gets to play
together as Wen is usually in the States, so we're
really looking forward to this gig. Expect to hear
some new original music and a few familiar standards.

Details

Venue: Blujaz Cafe, 11 Bali Lane (Near Arab Street)
Date: 11 Jan 2007
Time: 10pm - 12am


Click on the following link to listen to what we've
been working on lately:

http://idisk.mac.com/chokkerong/Public/sample3.mp3

See you there!

WIRED
Chok Kerong, Piano
Joshua Wan, Bass
Soh Wen Ming, Drums

Visit us at http://www.geocities.com/wiierd
Click to expand...
 
Oh, Wen is back! He should be much more killer now :) Also, everyone should check Kerong out.... his touch and feel on the keys are mesmerising! How I wish I will have a chance to play with him :)
 
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