Ibanez s470 vs Sterling jp60??

[habba1]

Ok haha. I'm favouring that as well, my only hesitation is the bridge. Anyways, when you say SGD880 with the bag, you are talking about the offer at BGW guitars right?By the way, how much is the gotoh bridge and how much will the installation cost?And do you know any good luthiers?Thanks

 

[J.custom]

Yeah at BGW guitars. The bridge is pretty good, it's not really like a standard 2 point trem like you would find on a MIA Strat, it's custom made by MM just for JP. So when you lift the bar, there's nothing pressing against the body to restrict it. For the bridge have to check at either music theme, GC or SV guitars. Can bring to Sound Alchemy to install

 

[habba1]

Ok cool. You mean even the sterling JP60 is a custom made by MM for JP?

Do you roughly know the price of the bridge and installation?

Thanks

 

[J.custom]

No, only the bridge I think. No idea on price man.

 

[habba1]

Ok great. Thanks

Any other users with other opinions regarding this thread?

 

[faekildare]

The bridge should be a direct drop it. Should not need to modify anything unless you want the bushings and studs too. I would bring it to Guitar Workshop at #03-09 bras brasah.

 

[faekildare]

I already did a setup so the buzz was removed, but the luthier did was that he place just a view pieces of paper around the nut area to elevate it such that the strings will not touch the frets. However, he mentioned that this is not a long term solution as the problem was pretty bad. Thats why he suggested I get a new one.

Who did you bring it to? The Luther used a paper as a nut shim? First few frets buzz can be caused by many reasons. Worn out frets, Frets poping out, truss rod too tight and etc. Each different problems has different way to remedy. If there is a need to use a shim, a proper nut shim should be used (Which can be gotten at Davis (If I am not mistaken). The neck is bad condition in what sense? Dirty? lacquer being removed due to over playing? Broken before? Do show some pics tho.

 

[lazy3yed]

Why I would buy the JP60 :
- basswood body
- small body profile
- unbound neck
- 24 frets
- simple trem system that works very well (short headstock, well cut nut, 2 point recessed trem).
- 5 bolt neck joint
- 3 way toggle pickup selector
- direct mounted pickups

Why I would buy an Ibby S470 :
- mahogany body
- slimmer body
- bounded neck
- 22 frets
- ZR trem (stable, very smooth action)
- 5 way blade pickup selector
- ring mounted pickups (except single coil)

The JP body profile is a little bit smaller, I think (correct me if I'm wrong), but the S body is thinner with normal RG-like profile. Mahogany has more lower mids, basswood is more neutral. As mentioned, neither is better, it's just personal preference. Satch prefers basswood, so does Petrucci and Paul Gilbert.

The wizard II might be slightly wider than the JP neck. Anyone can confirm? You'll have to play them to see which one you like.

With regards to tuning stability, it is not just the trem itself that contributes to it. A well cut nut is very important. The short design of the JP60 headstock eliminates string trees (another friction point). 2 point fulcrum system reduces friction at the contact points. And locking tuners. I personally prefer the JP60 trem system for simplicity. However, if you tend to do the Vai/Satch stuff alot, better to stick with locking systems. The ZR trem does look like it's cheaply made, though, IMO. Not like the older Edge/LoPro Edge.

I would go for the JP60.

 

[habba1]

Is the neck on JP thicker than the Ibby?

The body on JP is thicker but smaller than the Ibby?

What is the difference between direct mounted pickups and ring mounted pickups?

Overall you woud prefer the bridge on the JP cause its more stable?

Sorry for the bombardment of questions.

Thanks for your help guys

 

[J.custom]

The neck on the JP is slightly thicker if I'm not wrong, but it's narrower. Yes the body is thicker but imo. they're about the same size. JP preferred directly mounting pickups partially because of his fast alternate picking technique where he rests his pinky on the body, there's a YT video on it, just do a search. I prefer the JP bridge simply because you don't need a locking nut. Pop in a tremol-no on the back, and you're good to go, makes this axe damn versatile.

 

[lazy3yed]

My preference for the JP60 is not based on the trem alone. There's the 5 bolt neck joint, 24 frets, unbound neck.

Generally, I prefer simplier bridges (and fixed bridges) and the JP60 bridge works very well. I just find locking systems a hassle (sold off all my locking trem guitars). But bear in mind that it's not suitable for wild trem stunts.

Some like direct mounting for pickups for sonic reasons, too, but it's quite hard to tell the difference, at least for me. It's one of the considerations, nonetheless.

Is the neck on JP thicker than the Ibby?

The body on JP is thicker but smaller than the Ibby?

What is the difference between direct mounted pickups and ring mounted pickups?

Overall you woud prefer the bridge on the JP cause its more stable?

Sorry for the bombardment of questions.

Thanks for your help guys

 

[habba1]

Some like direct mounting for pickups for sonic reasons, too, but it's quite hard to tell the difference, at least for me. It's one of the considerations, nonetheless.

What are the sonic reasons?

Thanks

 

[relinquish69]

end of the day, just try them both. no point with all the spec talk when you haven't played either one. I did buy guitars with dream specs before but ended up selling them just because I hated the feel. which is why I hardly buy online nowadays.

most important, the guitar has to feel good in your hands. unless you love the thrill of fighting with your guitar. some people do really.

 

[habba1]

Ok cool. Note taken

Will get back to you guys once I've tried

Thanks