groove

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hey guys, wat do u think makes a gd groove and how did u develop ur own groove. lets say in latin funk etc.........
who are the groovers that u listen too?
how impt is a good groove to u compared to gd chops?
if u had a choice which wld u rather have?
do u have any trademark grooves that u feel is unique to u and you wld like to blow us away with?

 

[hi]

hmm gd groove is something that fits the song? to develop, just listen to loads of music... or do it the Akira Jimbo way! take something from your hero, tweak it a bit and make it your own

Steve Gadd the groover! just listen to Chick Corea - Lenore! Jeff Porcaro too!

good groove needs good chops... so like ya you need both...

 

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man a good groove is so much more that just something that fits a song.
what abt bernard purdie? steve jordan, clyde stubblefield, dennis chambers has an awesome groove, garibaldi, stanton moore, adam deitch, bill stewart.
man i agree Gadd and pocaro have an awesome groove, but there's so much more out there.
Caetano veloso's drummers all have an awesome latin feel.
i feel alot of guys in singapore are too worried abt chops, good chops is awesome and i'm glad tech is so stressed on but is too one sided i feel.
where are the guys that can get a room moving with just one groove?
why doesn't anyone talk abt time feel and making a groove sit and making people shake their butts? its true u need gd chops to make a groove sound gd and open up ur creativity, its not to impress other drummers or too show how many chops u can fit into a bar.
come on guys i know there are some people out there tht see where i'm coming from

 

[mel80]

The drummer who sessions for Alicia Keys' live sets. Don't know his name, but I was blown away when I heard Alica Keys' Unplugged 2005 live album. The man can groove. Like you said, it can shake butts! :lol:

 

[Funkifized]

I have no idea how to 'discuss' time because it's something that has to be heard and felt, rather than 'read' as tabs or limb combination notations.

This topic will be very useful if substantiated with examples, perhaps an mp3 file to get things moving. The only kind of 'groove' that I feel that I can talk about is the brazillian kind, whereby it's neither in a 3 or 4 feel, but gravitating towards 3, yet never losing the pocket. You see, it's really hard to talk about it. 2nd line drumming too, it's hard to describe. You just feel.

A rock feel/groove is different for me... get rid of your ghost note flurries, hit hard and drive it!!! Push it without increasing the tempo much (if at all).

Perhaps we should just PLAY music... it'll come with experience rather than anything else.

 

[joshie]

haha i love Jose Pasillas of Incubus. i know its not Latin or funk but its great variation and it fits the song perfectly. i dont think much when playing just hit anything that comes to my mind at that point in time, and somehow it might sound good!

 

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thanks joshie, yah man it does come with experience.
u do have have point in that time is hard to discuss, but dun u think we shld try cause that wat a drummers job is funkified? and no i really dun have a clue wat ur talking abt in terms of latin. 2nd line can be discussed for instance, there so many kinds of sec line. there are dance hall second lines which is a biaon on the feet and a clave on the hands which is swung. or a straight minim bass drum pattern with an emphasis on the 4 of every second bar, something like that.
i wld love to hear wat kinda experiences and knowledge u guys have

 

[hi]

hahah yeah groove... is so hard to define... it is everything. it is like the most important term a drummer must learn... at least my drumming changed when i understood the beauty of just groove

hahah yeah.. good groove is the thing... Red Hot is like groovy stuff man... hahaha insane!

actually there was a study once on some drummers that like while they were playing, they were on the groove all the time.... like always on the click or always 0.2 s before the click kind of thing... it is more than just accuracy, it's like playing the right thing at the right time with the right volume consistently etc...

hahaha... so insane! love Michael Jackson songs for that groovy thing too... makes you shake man in your boots and gets you on the dance floor! hahah sorry... getting a little insane here

 

[alvinthedrummer]

Hi guys...interesting topic! I think its crucial to talk about time! This issue has been a discussion since the birth of music performance! Steve smith talks about it all the time, Jack Dejohnette discusses it frequently, Peter Erskine has sections in his book devoted to time.....it is probably the most important element in music making!

As for groove vs rudiments...all I can say is that I have seen the technically weakest groove their arse off in a performance context! I know brazilian drummers who knows nuts about doubles, paradiddles, ruffs, drags etc but play grooves that'll kill the drummer of drummers! I also know some south africans who plays only single strokes but can mozambique so hard it makes me tear!

Bottom line....a good musical performance do not really need good rudiments....if you can play the supporting groove well enough, you'll get the gig! If you have spend enough time with a metronome it doesn't really matter if you can only play single strokes....you'll be able to survive pretty well as a giging drummer.....of course, unless you target gigs are all jazz fusion stuff...which no hotel or pub would want to put you on the job....

Rudiments to me are like icing on a cake.....if you have it...great...but if you dun, you still HAVE the cake!

Another thing, I have to disagree with Funkified with regards to rock grooves! Alot of heavy rock drummers actually uses ghost notes. In fact....ghost notes help drive a groove! They help provide that forward motion that drives.....

 

[joshie]

hm i disagree with the rudiment part. you need rudiments all the way or why are professionals playing hours on just rudiments everyday.

i agree that ghost notes help to build up the beat and contribute to the song anyway!

 

[alvinthedrummer]

I think alot of young drummers are missing the point here! No one said rudiments are not important! But if you put groove and rudiments side by side, I'll say that groove and time is what gets you the job and money! At least my experience working as a fulltime musician for the last 15 years in both Singapore and Australia taught me so....

Alot of professional drummers have or are still working on rudiments because...like I said...its the icing on the cake! The cake looks prettier and sweeter with it....but that doesn't mean you need it to bake a cake! You can disagree all you want, but I've personally experienced it and I've also seen many successful gigging drummers out there who can't play a decent press roll groove their arse off!

Botton line is...do you really know the reason why these professionals are practicing hours on rudiments? Did you stop one and asked why? Did you ever ask if they got their gigs because they could play perfect rudiments or was it because they've worked hours on various grooves and focused on time playing?

Now let me stress again...I'm not saying that rudiments aren't important...they help give you drum fill ideas, help you embellish certain grooves etc....but they dun ensure your survival as a gigging drummer....good groove and time does....

 

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well damn alvin u took the words from my mouth really.

there some killer grooves by steve jordan from the john mayer trio in this months modern drummer. now steve jordan has one of those really "round" grooves i find. he tends to slightly swing his grooves, sort of a new orleans 8th note thts in between a straight and swung note. check it out!

 

[hi]

wow thanks for sharing! really great stuff