Gibson: Under rated/Over rated/Totally no pt in getting one?
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xklusivly4u
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yawn :lol:
depends on personal preference bla bla bla.
Overprice blab la bla
Gibson LP got mojo blab la bla
Gibson quality goes down hill blab bla bla
Countless pros/amateurs play Gibson blab bla bla
depends on personal preference bla bla bla.
Overprice blab la bla
Gibson LP got mojo blab la bla
Gibson quality goes down hill blab bla bla
Countless pros/amateurs play Gibson blab bla bla
trianglebiscuit
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non of the above, they are great guitars at okay prices.
you must be joking right.
yes, gibsons are overpriced, especially when its being brought in by swee lee. but that being said, the current gibsons are okayish instruments if you get them second-hand. just replace the pups if they don't suit you and make sure the vol pots are 500k.
i got my 2006 es-135 second-hand from a US forum and he helped me ship it to a fren of mine in the US.
price? $1200 incl shipping. guitar 77's second-hand price? 2200. swee lee retail price - 3500+
now i buy everything practically online.
Xypher
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Personally, I would get an Edwards LP/SG copy and just use it. Reasons: I aint a pro, so I would rather improve my playing than spend all the effort on gear. Also, I am just a student who can't afford the easily-3000-dollar pricetag. Even 2000 is alot.. Can use that money for Uni education/driving lessons etc..
All this are my personal views.
All this are my personal views.
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hmmm ... i noticed in your topic...
its either
1) under-rated
2) over rated
3) completely pointless in owning one.
1) countless people use these...it is not underated ...
2) Many Many famous endorsees... thus.. it is also kinda overated
3) Refer to first two pts
Everybody knows gibsons are expensive... be it used or new.
Why people keep buying them is the question?
Its the original design... and it works.
i dont think there are that many stupid consumers in the world.
If you learn to appreciate what the lespaul can do for you... by all means... get a lespaul. Any brand will yield pretty similiar results.
But sometimes if you want a EVO .... a souped up Vios just wont do.
its either
1) under-rated
2) over rated
3) completely pointless in owning one.
1) countless people use these...it is not underated ...
2) Many Many famous endorsees... thus.. it is also kinda overated
3) Refer to first two pts
Everybody knows gibsons are expensive... be it used or new.
Why people keep buying them is the question?
Its the original design... and it works.
i dont think there are that many stupid consumers in the world.
If you learn to appreciate what the lespaul can do for you... by all means... get a lespaul. Any brand will yield pretty similiar results.
But sometimes if you want a EVO .... a souped up Vios just wont do.
Benster
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with regards to overpricing, a saavy buyer would never buy a new Gibson from the local dealer (which has a ridiculously high markup)
there's places like SOFT classads, (Orange Guitar) and Ebay where affordable used Gibsons abound..
there's places like SOFT classads, (Orange Guitar) and Ebay where affordable used Gibsons abound..
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ive never really been a fan of gibsons.
to me,
its somewhere in between.
well,most les pauls,sg's doesnt sound good to me though despite the price tag,workmanship.
there's only 3 gibsons that is worth the money.
1.gibson LP double cutaway with P90s.
2.gibson firebird VII,V,
3.gibson hollowbody.(es-335,lucille,tom delonge)
basically,its all down to personal preference.
yup.
to me,
its somewhere in between.
well,most les pauls,sg's doesnt sound good to me though despite the price tag,workmanship.
there's only 3 gibsons that is worth the money.
1.gibson LP double cutaway with P90s.
2.gibson firebird VII,V,
3.gibson hollowbody.(es-335,lucille,tom delonge)
basically,its all down to personal preference.
yup.
I touch my heart... and say my ears can't discern the advantage from a Gibson. To my ears, my non-Gibby les pauls sing better than some Gibsons.
Not saying all Gibsons are not worth the money. But will need to work at picking out the ones that are really good, in spite of the premium price you pay.
Somehow, there's still this "shiok" factor about playing a Gibson.
Not saying all Gibsons are not worth the money. But will need to work at picking out the ones that are really good, in spite of the premium price you pay.
Somehow, there's still this "shiok" factor about playing a Gibson.
trianglebiscuit
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=glblues
who said anything about getting them locally?
who said anything about getting them locally?
JMguitars
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I have a US dealer that I ask to run the racks for me and pick out the 5 best sounding VOS LPs.
He then playtests them and sends me their photos and also suggestions on how each guitar sounds i.e. weight, colour, amount of overtones, resonance unplugged, better for lead or rythem ... that sort of stuff.
I find this works best for me.
He then playtests them and sends me their photos and also suggestions on how each guitar sounds i.e. weight, colour, amount of overtones, resonance unplugged, better for lead or rythem ... that sort of stuff.
I find this works best for me.
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the big necks and low wide frets are one thing....
the gibson pickups are nice too... my faves are the new burstbucker pros and the 57 classics...
back then i hated gibson. My point of reference was swee lee's gibson range... it pretty much sucks ass. Dead strings.. bad action ... i honestly cannot really recall any major finishing/construction flaws till today, despite them being so ranted about...
with that in mind...I bought a tokai lp ... it was a 1959 limited run replica, long tenon... thin nitro, aluminium tail piece...yada yada everything down to the inlays were 59 spec. it sounded great! played great.
then i got an Gibby 04 standard and it really blew the tokai out of the water... that pretty much ended my jap lp copy phase. i partly blame it on the pickups... cus the burstbuckers sounded much better then the stock gotoh units on my tokai.
- Bear in mind... both guitars were around the SAME PRICE, both were used.
So... please please do take the time to try as many lespauls as you can. the whole gibson debate is so old... i think virtually everything has been covered in the gibson lp vs Prs singlecut drama-thread
find that special lespaul ... the one u cannot put down. Doesnt have to be gibson. Other manufacturers make excellent copies... my tokai was almost perfect, i probably should have swapped in better pups... but then it would have cost more then a lp standard -_-"
the gibson pickups are nice too... my faves are the new burstbucker pros and the 57 classics...
back then i hated gibson. My point of reference was swee lee's gibson range... it pretty much sucks ass. Dead strings.. bad action ... i honestly cannot really recall any major finishing/construction flaws till today, despite them being so ranted about...
with that in mind...I bought a tokai lp ... it was a 1959 limited run replica, long tenon... thin nitro, aluminium tail piece...yada yada everything down to the inlays were 59 spec. it sounded great! played great.
then i got an Gibby 04 standard and it really blew the tokai out of the water... that pretty much ended my jap lp copy phase. i partly blame it on the pickups... cus the burstbuckers sounded much better then the stock gotoh units on my tokai.
- Bear in mind... both guitars were around the SAME PRICE, both were used.
So... please please do take the time to try as many lespauls as you can. the whole gibson debate is so old... i think virtually everything has been covered in the gibson lp vs Prs singlecut drama-thread
find that special lespaul ... the one u cannot put down. Doesnt have to be gibson. Other manufacturers make excellent copies... my tokai was almost perfect, i probably should have swapped in better pups... but then it would have cost more then a lp standard -_-"
ungauged
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not again.....
I like Chanmins quote:
"But sometimes if you want a EVO .... a souped up Vios just wont do."
I guess it's a pretty over debated discussion we are having here but i constantly want to be "kaypo" and comment..... Everyone will have their own opinion. The morale of the story is whatever you feel is the right guitar, buy it and use it be it a Tokai, Gibson, Edwards or even a china fake copy.
But bear in mind, there must be a reason as to why 50% of the musicians use Gibbies rite? Every great guitarist has played a Gibby once in their career, Hendrix, Clapton, Slash, Angus Young, John Lennon, just to name a few.... So Gibson must be doing something right to have such a large faithful bunch of followers. Maybe we just aren't getting the quality batches of Gibbies or we are just expecting too much from a guitar with a pricetag like that?
I like Chanmins quote:
"But sometimes if you want a EVO .... a souped up Vios just wont do."
I guess it's a pretty over debated discussion we are having here but i constantly want to be "kaypo" and comment..... Everyone will have their own opinion. The morale of the story is whatever you feel is the right guitar, buy it and use it be it a Tokai, Gibson, Edwards or even a china fake copy.
But bear in mind, there must be a reason as to why 50% of the musicians use Gibbies rite? Every great guitarist has played a Gibby once in their career, Hendrix, Clapton, Slash, Angus Young, John Lennon, just to name a few.... So Gibson must be doing something right to have such a large faithful bunch of followers. Maybe we just aren't getting the quality batches of Gibbies or we are just expecting too much from a guitar with a pricetag like that?
as said, up to personal preference. no "one opinion fits it all".
If you want the original design, the vintage vibe, the gibson neck carve etc. go for it, you'd pay the price for authenticity IMO. I had a Gibson Les Paul VOS 58', loved the neck carve. i never had the same neck carve in any other gibson USA or replica. the vintage top stylings etc are cool. of course, i avoided sweelee like a plague. bought from US at around 2k plus, great deal.
THAT SAID, what i cannot stand about Gibsons, especially the Gibson USA line, is that you pay so much for the guitar and you'd still have to spend money for add-ons (pickups, caps, speedknobs, pickups, tonepros bridge) and various other minor repairs or setups (nut slot not well cut, unsanded edges on the bridge etc). its iffy i tell you. you pay that much, but things come incomplete.
If you want the original design, the vintage vibe, the gibson neck carve etc. go for it, you'd pay the price for authenticity IMO. I had a Gibson Les Paul VOS 58', loved the neck carve. i never had the same neck carve in any other gibson USA or replica. the vintage top stylings etc are cool. of course, i avoided sweelee like a plague. bought from US at around 2k plus, great deal.
THAT SAID, what i cannot stand about Gibsons, especially the Gibson USA line, is that you pay so much for the guitar and you'd still have to spend money for add-ons (pickups, caps, speedknobs, pickups, tonepros bridge) and various other minor repairs or setups (nut slot not well cut, unsanded edges on the bridge etc). its iffy i tell you. you pay that much, but things come incomplete.
They are not over-rated. The only real problem i see is that people think its overpriced.
I don't think all those issues about quality, workmanship tone etc will be raised if it weren't so expensive.
Tonally and asthetically, Gibson's are great guitars, the best LP out there IMO.
I don't think all those issues about quality, workmanship tone etc will be raised if it weren't so expensive.
Tonally and asthetically, Gibson's are great guitars, the best LP out there IMO.
hmm .. i think technically speaking.
only Gibson Lespauls ...are lespauls... the rest are copies.
so yes. technically it is the BEST lespaul. Cus its the only true lespaul manufacturer.
the rest will only be contending for best Lespaul Copy.
its obvious that people mainly dislike Gibson because they are not value for money. They have loose QC compared to Fender...etc..
Pricey upgrades neccessary to bring out the best in your lespaul etc... but thats life la.. haha
How much u spend on the guitar is dictated by your own needs and wants. True they could give you a hand selected honduran mahogany body, long tenon, killer flame top...uber mojo Caps, pots ... the best hardware.. hand wound pickups...
but would u buy it for US$15,000 ?
Gibson is a business la.. just like fender...ibanez..etc. They have ultimate power in the Lespaul branding. Thus are able to command such prices/profits.
Consumers just have to decide if they are able to live with it.
Why nobody scold Ferrari for selling cars that are so expensive?
Its not like Ferraris dont break down man.
The new Nissan GTR is fricking fast too?
why dont all them italian purebred car lovers switch to the cheaper option?
only Gibson Lespauls ...are lespauls... the rest are copies.
so yes. technically it is the BEST lespaul. Cus its the only true lespaul manufacturer.
the rest will only be contending for best Lespaul Copy.
its obvious that people mainly dislike Gibson because they are not value for money. They have loose QC compared to Fender...etc..
Pricey upgrades neccessary to bring out the best in your lespaul etc... but thats life la.. haha
How much u spend on the guitar is dictated by your own needs and wants. True they could give you a hand selected honduran mahogany body, long tenon, killer flame top...uber mojo Caps, pots ... the best hardware.. hand wound pickups...
but would u buy it for US$15,000 ?
Gibson is a business la.. just like fender...ibanez..etc. They have ultimate power in the Lespaul branding. Thus are able to command such prices/profits.
Consumers just have to decide if they are able to live with it.
Why nobody scold Ferrari for selling cars that are so expensive?
Its not like Ferraris dont break down man.
The new Nissan GTR is fricking fast too?
why dont all them italian purebred car lovers switch to the cheaper option?
As far as I am concerned, only the 1st successful les pauls that came from Orville Gibson and his partners are the originals.
The rest are all copying and creating variations of the original design, no matter which companies are doing it. Whether today's Gibsons are originals or copies... it's mainly in the mind. :mrgreen:
The rest are all copying and creating variations of the original design, no matter which companies are doing it. Whether today's Gibsons are originals or copies... it's mainly in the mind. :mrgreen:
