Full solid jumbo body acoustic recommendations?

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Hey all! I've been playing guitar for 4 years and i need some recommendations as i think it's time for me to upgrade from a solid top dreadnought. I really love doing hard strumming and bassy tones. I like bassy tones for both strumming and plucking and i've tried the Faith Jupiter Jumbo. It's quite nice but i would like some other recommendations of full solid Jumbos and where i can go to try other guitars. My budget would be around 1.2k -1.5k at the most. Not much preferences of wood but, i really love the cedar tops and engelmann spruce tops. Cedar is still my favourite though. Well, i hope people would respond as i know that not many people like Jumbos. Most like GA with cutaways.
 
Hey all! I've been playing guitar for 4 years and i need some recommendations as i think it's time for me to upgrade from a solid top dreadnought.

Good for you! There comes a time when we all feel like we've outgrown our current instrument.
Going the full-solid route is a wise one, because a full solid will have a lot more potential to grow and mature. Also, it'd be prudent to take the time and effort now to choose one that you really like, so that you will not get tired or feel like you've 'outgrown' it in the near future. Don't rush your purchase, choose wisely. Get a good one this time round that will last you indefinitely.

I really love doing hard strumming and bassy tones. I like bassy tones for both strumming and plucking./ Not much preferences of wood but, i really love the cedar tops and engelmann spruce tops. Cedar is still my favourite though.

Okay first let me disclaim that everything I'm saying about tone will always be subjective and I'm talking in a broad strokes. Now that that's out of the way, let's address the issue of body shape first.

For strumming wise, dreadnoughts and jumbos are the way to go. They sound very full-bodied when strumming because of the abundance of overtones. Between a dreadnought and a jumbo, the dreadnought will be much more balanced while the jumbo will have a more comprehensive bass response.

Grand-Auditoriums are not as suitable for strumming because of the lack of overtones. Their tapered waist helps to control the overtones. However, controlled overtones give the GA a lot more clarity and focus. That is one reason why fingerstylist prefer the GA shape. Also, because they are so focused, they stay in their tonal range. So when you're in a band setting, your GA will not only cut through the mix, it'll also stay in it's range and not encroach into your bandmates' ranges.

You said that you do not have a preference of wood. Sadly, you need to have a preference. Because different woods have very different tonal characteristics, and you'll soon realise that the choice of wood carries a substantial weight in your eventual decision.

The top is your first priority. The top is the core of your sound, the sides and back shapes it. Common woods for top would be many variants of spruce, cedar, mahogany, etc.

You mentioned that you do a lot of hard-strumming, but you prefer cedar. Why do you prefer cedar? From personal experience, cedar is very warm and rounded as a top.

However, if hard-strumming is a priority, then go for spruce. Because cedar has a quirk in the form of a 'ceiling'. There is point whereby no matter how hard you strum, it will not get any louder. But soft touches on cedar will be rewarded with very sweet singing tones, because it amplifies your soft touches very well. Another reason why some fingerstylists prefer cedar, and why a lot of classical guitars have cedar tops.
Spruce on the other hand, responses very well to hard strumming; the harder you strum, the louder it gets. This is especially true for adronidack spruce, which is truly a powerhouse.
Also if you've noticed, spruce is arguably the most popular wood for tops. Because it's light, stiff as hell and has a very wide dynamic range.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can 'deduce', you do lots of hard strumming, some plucking, and like something that sounds bassy, warm and rounded.

From those requirements, I'll recommend either a dreadnought or a jumbo with a spruce top and rosewood sides and back. Or maybe a spruce top with mahogany sides and back.

A jumbo or dreadnought with a spruce top and rosewood sides and back,
- would be able to handle hard-strumming well due to the spruce top.
- the shape itself helps with the bass and volume.
- rosewood sides and back give you a wide dynamic range; ample lows and sparkling highs. Also it will help with keeping things 'warm' and 'rounded'.
- spruce also has a wide dynamic range and it's pretty punchy too.

Spruce with mahogany will have a lot more emphasis on the midrange. Mahogany has a chewy organic midrange response. Try these mentioned combinations out and see which you prefer, also take the chance to try out other combinations.


and i've tried the Faith Jupiter Jumbo. It's quite nice but i would like some other recommendations of full solid Jumbos and where i can go to try other guitars. My budget would be around 1.2k -1.5k at the most.

Don't limit yourself to jumbos. I personally like dreadnoughts because they are still reasonably bassy but balanced, sometimes too much bass can overwhelm the trebles.
For jumbos, you can check out the Timothy SJ10 at Sinamex, the Faith and Singa from Maestro, also look at what Ayers at Musictheme has to offer.
Walk around places like Citymusic, Parklane shopping Center, Peninsular, Bras Basah. Try them out extensively. And again, don't limit yourself.

I hope this post will help you understand what you're looking out for and to make an informed decision. Cheers.
 
Thank you so much Phil, it really helps a lot. What i meant by no preference for woods is that i am very open to other choices even though i like cedar tops. I have not really explored the different types of woods as i find my current guitar's tone appealing to me and i have not thought about getting another guitar until now. You are also right to say that i prefer warm and rounded tones. I have tried spruce and cedar and mahogany tops but cedar appeals to me the most. But, like i said, i'm open to other choices. as you have recommended, I shall try other different wood combinations and see what i like.

I have tried different body shapes but the reason i'm looking for a jumbo is because i love how it sounds with different woods. I have tried jumbos with cedar top, engelmann spruce and sitka spruce. I have also tried other dreadnoughts and grand auditoriums but jumbos are just my thing.

I shall check out the places you have mentioned. But where are Sinamex and Citymusic located? And thank you so much for taking your time to type it out. This really helps a lot.
 
City Music's at selegie road peace centre. Then Sinamex is jus in the building next to it. Maestro is in the same building as Sinaex. check their websites out then use gothere.sg to find where they are =) all the Guitar shops are just around the town area so if u really want, get someone and spend ur whole day walking around trying =) sinamex closes at 3pm on sat though really early but that shop is full of goodies. Besides HI5 i LOVE CEDAR tops, but the'yre really rare and hard to find. moreover i'm a picky, fussy fingerpicker been looking for a new guitar since er 4 months ago never got to anything tat's within my price range haha! Santa Cruz blew me off my chair but thtat's about 5.6k so yea no money to spare but sure i am GASing hhaa! good luck with your find!
 
City Music's at selegie road peace centre. Then Sinamex is jus in the building next to it. Maestro is in the same building as Sinaex. check their websites out then use gothere.sg to find where they are =) all the Guitar shops are just around the town area so if u really want, get someone and spend ur whole day walking around trying =) sinamex closes at 3pm on sat though really early but that shop is full of goodies. Besides HI5 i LOVE CEDAR tops, but the'yre really rare and hard to find. moreover i'm a picky, fussy fingerpicker been looking for a new guitar since er 4 months ago never got to anything tat's within my price range haha! Santa Cruz blew me off my chair but thtat's about 5.6k so yea no money to spare but sure i am GASing hhaa! good luck with your find!

Thanks heavynoize. I shall go on and check those places out soon. WOOHOO! CEDAR TOPS ;DD. Good luck with your search dude. Unless you're going to save 5.6k. hahah. Too much GAS is not good ;p
 
Between a dreadnought and a jumbo, the dreadnought will be much more balanced while the jumbo will have a more comprehensive bass response.

Grand-Auditoriums are not as suitable for strumming because of the lack of overtones. Their tapered waist helps to control the overtones. However, controlled overtones give the GA a lot more clarity and focus. That is one reason why fingerstylist prefer the GA shape.
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Phil's advice is great and you should heed them!

just wanted to put my 2c worth about what phil said which I think may have a different side to them.

From experience and from speaking with luthiers abroad, the dread usually has the bass boom while the jumbo instead is more balanced. Go and play a few D28s and then a gibson Jumbo, the D28's got a big bottom while the Jumbo will have a tight bass, but not overpowering.
I've been told usually a more square shape delivers the bass while curvier bodies favour a more balanced sound. You'll be able to distinct that by tryin out diff shapes. That's why concerts and GAs sound pretty even across the strings.
You can also compare a sqaure shoulder dread and a slope shoulder dread and you MAY hear some difference.

I would also say the overtones are not so much caused by the guitar shape as with the wood the guitar is made of.

Maple is very strong in the fundamentals, little overtones, very focused that's why alot of people say it's a great live instrument cos it cuts through well. RW on the other hand has alot more overtones that's why sometimes it can make the mix abit messy.
SO a maple GA will be more focused than a rosewood GA.
Fingerstylists love GA because it's balanced and can handle medium strumming. They don't strum very hard that's why you don't see many with big bodied guitars like a jumbo.
They do however like cedar rosewood combis cos they are very warm, mellow and produce alot of overtones. Since they're solo, they need to fill up all those spaces without the band.

Check out the all famous jumbo J200 and you'll realize it's maple.. they just tend to do well together so you may wanna explore that as well.

No offence to Phil.. =)
 
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