Fender 1962 stratocaster with pics/12000USD (Shd I Buy?)
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JMguitars
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Some of the biggest con jobs going around right now are primarily in the vintage guitar market.
In buying the guitar, you have to ask yourself, are you buying because it sounds good or are you buying it as an investment.
An old guitar may have natural ageing in its favour but unless you've played it personally, its normally an assumption and not status quo.
If you're buying it as an investment, many of this so called vintage guitars are actually an assortment of vintage parts put togeher, and that very fact that its not 100% stock, would seriously devalue the guitar in the vintage instrument market.
If you are truly serious, why not get an external vintage instrument specialist to do a formal authentication and appraisal of the guitar on your behalf. You'd be saving a ton of money then to find out later that the Fender wasn't exactly a 62.
my 2 cents.
In buying the guitar, you have to ask yourself, are you buying because it sounds good or are you buying it as an investment.
An old guitar may have natural ageing in its favour but unless you've played it personally, its normally an assumption and not status quo.
If you're buying it as an investment, many of this so called vintage guitars are actually an assortment of vintage parts put togeher, and that very fact that its not 100% stock, would seriously devalue the guitar in the vintage instrument market.
If you are truly serious, why not get an external vintage instrument specialist to do a formal authentication and appraisal of the guitar on your behalf. You'd be saving a ton of money then to find out later that the Fender wasn't exactly a 62.
my 2 cents.
relinquish69
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"If you are truly serious, why not get an external vintage instrument specialist to do a formal authentication and appraisal of the guitar on your behalf. You'd be saving a ton of money then to find out later that the Fender wasn't exactly a 62."
thats probably one reason why I work in Guitar Connection. every now I then I take out a few guitar bodies and inspect their routings, dates and paint to compare the difference between the years. the worm hole routing is the most headache part of it all cos every year its a routed in a different way.
during the 68 -early 71 era of stratocasters, there were no body dates. the only way you can tell the year is by looking at the worm route. ok la, maybe the square shaped pickup routes is a givaway for a 70s strat but there is a difference in a 68 and 69 worm hole route.
even after staring at it for hours ( to think I get paid for that :lol: ), I have to double check with Kelvin about the details. the thing about buying vintage guitars is to be 100% sure about what you are buying. otherwise, you'd most definitely be on the losing end no matter what.
unless you are saying that you are buying for the tone. for the price you pay, it really isnt worth it for "tone". people who buy vintage guitars only buy them for their value. in this case, tone is applicable only when the guitar has been modified or resprayed into a different colour. thats when the value drops like crazy and people might find it alright to buy since the tone is already in the wood.
thats probably one reason why I work in Guitar Connection. every now I then I take out a few guitar bodies and inspect their routings, dates and paint to compare the difference between the years. the worm hole routing is the most headache part of it all cos every year its a routed in a different way.
during the 68 -early 71 era of stratocasters, there were no body dates. the only way you can tell the year is by looking at the worm route. ok la, maybe the square shaped pickup routes is a givaway for a 70s strat but there is a difference in a 68 and 69 worm hole route.
even after staring at it for hours ( to think I get paid for that :lol: ), I have to double check with Kelvin about the details. the thing about buying vintage guitars is to be 100% sure about what you are buying. otherwise, you'd most definitely be on the losing end no matter what.
unless you are saying that you are buying for the tone. for the price you pay, it really isnt worth it for "tone". people who buy vintage guitars only buy them for their value. in this case, tone is applicable only when the guitar has been modified or resprayed into a different colour. thats when the value drops like crazy and people might find it alright to buy since the tone is already in the wood.
MeauxJeaux
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I don't buy the story where the guy played it for a couple of years and then put it under his bed. The body dings would indicate several years of hard gigging. The neck is surprisingly free of similar dings. The wear on the back of the neck would indicate many years of playing, not just a couple of years of cowboy chords. Also the front of the headstock looks brand new with no finish checking. At best I would say it is an assembly of some (not all) original parts and a refinished neck. If it were really original, then it would fetch double the price.
Save your money. Invest in a few vintage guitar books so that you at least have some idea about what to look for. Then deal with some of the reputable dealers that have been around a long time (Gruhn, Elderly, Gary's, Lark Street, etc.) For 12k you should be able to get a decent late 60's Fender with a reliable evaluation of its authenticity.
Save your money. Invest in a few vintage guitar books so that you at least have some idea about what to look for. Then deal with some of the reputable dealers that have been around a long time (Gruhn, Elderly, Gary's, Lark Street, etc.) For 12k you should be able to get a decent late 60's Fender with a reliable evaluation of its authenticity.
relinquish69
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dude, the thing is even if he sells the thing by parts, he will earn more. yeap its true that the cowboy chords thing sounds pretty unrealistic. but who knows, it might have been hard gigged with the player just playing those chords :lol: .
with $12kUSD, the best you are gonna get is 1969 or an early 70s in custom colour finish. 1968 is worth much more cos very little were produced in that year. the hardest strats to find are the 1967 strats. less than 100 were produced that year. thats the reason why there is so little information about them.
with $12kUSD, the best you are gonna get is 1969 or an early 70s in custom colour finish. 1968 is worth much more cos very little were produced in that year. the hardest strats to find are the 1967 strats. less than 100 were produced that year. thats the reason why there is so little information about them.
Indigo_blues
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yup, i think there are better investments around with lower risk up front. And if you are just buying it to play, then you can buy something just as good for a lot less moolah.
Just my thoughts. cheers.
Just my thoughts. cheers.
MeauxJeaux
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How many brand new Strats were shipped to Czechoslavakia in 1962?
sorry for being such a noob....but...what's the different between that one(aforementioned strat) and these
http://sg.auctions.yahoo.com/sg/i:Fender 1960 Stratocaster Electric Guitar:253497000
http://sg.auctions.yahoo.com/sg/i:Fender Stratocaster Relic 1960:98322935
which only a fraction of the 12k strat....both are also 60s strat...one is custom shop one is relic....how come the price is waaaay different.....
I love the 2nd link...been eyeing on it for years....too bad until now i dun have that much of extra money
http://sg.auctions.yahoo.com/sg/i:Fender 1960 Stratocaster Electric Guitar:253497000
http://sg.auctions.yahoo.com/sg/i:Fender Stratocaster Relic 1960:98322935
which only a fraction of the 12k strat....both are also 60s strat...one is custom shop one is relic....how come the price is waaaay different.....
I love the 2nd link...been eyeing on it for years....too bad until now i dun have that much of extra money
KissMyAxe
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reez_rock : sorry for being such a noob....but...what's the different between that one(aforementioned strat) and these
http://sg.auctions.yahoo.com/sg/i:Fender 1960 Stratocaster Electric Guitar:253497000
http://sg.auctions.yahoo.com/sg/i:Fender Stratocaster Relic 1960:98322935
I think these are reissue guitars and not the original ones made in the 1960.
http://sg.auctions.yahoo.com/sg/i:Fender 1960 Stratocaster Electric Guitar:253497000
http://sg.auctions.yahoo.com/sg/i:Fender Stratocaster Relic 1960:98322935
I think these are reissue guitars and not the original ones made in the 1960.
suckasucks
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both of them aren't vintage, first one is CS and the 2nd is a relic, made to look like a real vintage. relics usually fetch higher prices than normal CS guitars.
JMguitars
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As suckasucks mentioned, both are Fender Custom Shops guitars.
The 60s model is a 1987 team-built strat that looks like its based on either the NOS or Closet Classic theme. Whats cool is that John Page, one of the senior guys of Custom Shop then, has signed off it. John no longer is with the Custom Shop but his own masterbuilt guitars are spoken well in other forums.
The other is also a Custom Shop model, but of a relic design. Heavy Relics are an acquired taste given that they are artifically aged to look like they been beaten up for the last 20 years. Some people like them, some dont.
Last I checked, Custom Shop sells for between US$1800 to US$5000 depending on the model, teambuilt or masterbuilt, quantity issued (i.e. limited run), material used (i.e. brazillian rosewood fretboards).
O yes, to answer an earlier query, these are cheaper since they are built in the present day, designed to mimic the build specs of an earlier era.
The 60s model is a 1987 team-built strat that looks like its based on either the NOS or Closet Classic theme. Whats cool is that John Page, one of the senior guys of Custom Shop then, has signed off it. John no longer is with the Custom Shop but his own masterbuilt guitars are spoken well in other forums.
The other is also a Custom Shop model, but of a relic design. Heavy Relics are an acquired taste given that they are artifically aged to look like they been beaten up for the last 20 years. Some people like them, some dont.
Last I checked, Custom Shop sells for between US$1800 to US$5000 depending on the model, teambuilt or masterbuilt, quantity issued (i.e. limited run), material used (i.e. brazillian rosewood fretboards).
O yes, to answer an earlier query, these are cheaper since they are built in the present day, designed to mimic the build specs of an earlier era.
