confused with appregios

[fenderrules]

did some reading on this complicated topic recently to strengthen my foundation on improvisation

okay, im confused with the root notes of appregios. here is the d major appregio in the 2nd position

F# A D F# A D F# A
E:--------------------2--5---
B:-----------------3---------
G:--------------2------------
D:-----------4---------------
A:--------5------------------
E:--2--5---------------------

now, ive read that in appregios i should play the root notes which will be those in D. then, why do we have to play those which are not the root notes?

im sorry if this doesnt make sense, but im really confused

thanks!

 

[SoulJah]

did some reading on this complicated topic recently to strengthen my foundation on improvisation

okay, im confused with the root notes of appregios. here is the d major appregio in the 2nd position

F# A D F# A D F# A
E:--------------------2--5---
B:-----------------3---------
G:--------------2------------
D:-----------4---------------
A:--------5------------------
E:--2--5---------------------

now, ive read that in appregios i should play the root notes which will be those in D. then, why do we have to play those which are not the root notes?

im sorry if this doesnt make sense, but im really confused

thanks!

I think you may have read wrongly, or the information you read posted was wrong.

An arpeggio is simply a chord, but the notes are not strummed together, but play with seperation and hopefully some cleanliness at high speeds with loads of distortion enought to crap your pants...ok enough of my nonsense

Like I mentioned about, the word chord.
Essentially if you were to play a D major arpeggio, you're going to play the notes of a D Maj Triad.

A major triad is obtained when you play the 1st 3rd and 5th of the D maj scale, in this case the notes are D, the first; F# the third, and lastly A the fifth.

But with the way is the guitar is tuned and pitches are arranged across the fretboard you get many many repeated notes, hence you can play the same group of 3 notes (D Maj Triad/Arpeggio) across the whole neck.

So hence you not only play the root notes ie, D but also the 3rd and 5th.

Now the tough part, memorise the whole damn fretboard, where all the 1st 3rd and 5ths are.

THEN SWEEP THINGS UP!

Good luck!

Hope this helps.

Chris.

 

[dace_diath]

yep u'r rite, u haf to find
the notes on the fretboard.

which is y u must do things
slowly.
from then on u can practise with
ur speed

 

[timgibson]

You need to be able to understand triad inversions. You can take the three notes in a d major chord (D, F#, and A) and play them in different orders, this puts a different note in the base, but the root of the arpeggio is always D. There are 3 inversions, root D F# A, first inversion starting on the 3rd of the arpeggio, F# A D, and second inversion starting on the fifth, A D F#. They are all a D major arpeggios, but in different orders. The D is always the root, F# is always the third, and A is always the fifth.

 

[dace_diath]

yeap u'r rite,

the D F# A
is the 1st , 3rd , 5th note
in the D major chromatic scale.

 

[ZackUidl]

The arpeggio that was written in tab was a D major arpeggio in 1st inversion. Take advantage of these inversions because it allows you to keep arpeggios close and it make them more interesting.

 

[MikePhilippov]

yes like Zack said, using inversions can be a cool way of getting new and interesting sounds out of regular boring triads.

Mike.

 

[fenderrules]

You need to be able to understand triad inversions. You can take the three notes in a d major chord (D, F#, and A) and play them in different orders, this puts a different note in the base, but the root of the arpeggio is always D. There are 3 inversions, root D F# A, first inversion starting on the 3rd of the arpeggio, F# A D, and second inversion starting on the fifth, A D F#. They are all a D major arpeggios, but in different orders. The D is always the root, F# is always the third, and A is always the fifth.

hey i think ive got it! F# and A are the notes which form the D chord

ok so maybe ill get another example to clarify my understanding of appregios. so if i wanna do a triad inversion of the C major chord, the notes will be E, G and the root note C. so the C is the root, E is the third and G is the fifth??

 

[Indigo_blues]

1st inversion of C would be E,G,C.
2nd inversion of C would be G,C,E.
Root would be C,E,G.

They play out differently on the fretboard.

hope this helps.

 

[NickLayton]

Inversions are also cool because they can be used to great effect in voice leading--changing smoothly from one arpeggio to the next.

 

[fenderrules]

1st inversion of C would be E,G,C.
2nd inversion of C would be G,C,E.
Root would be C,E,G.

They play out differently on the fretboard.

play put differently on the fretboard??

well okay....cuz usually when people tell me they are playing arpeggios their fingers are like flying all over, even when playing the arpeggios of that particular chord itself (with that i mean no chord progression) is that what you mean??

i also have been confusing scales with arpeggios ever since ive watched a video on malmsteen playing the song arpeggios from hell. he said "its the most extreme arpeggios that i ever come with. in a lot of octave, and alot of different modes"

ok im uber confused now....been trying to play canon in d with my limited knowledge using only the a minor scale...can someone explain please?

 

[jon__]

fenderrules: when he said they play out differently, i think he means that different inversions (whether arppegiated or played as a block chord) have different sounds. for example, a maj7 is one of the prettiest, most sparkly chords, but if you change the voicing (such as putting a 5th in the root or using it in drop d over all 6 strings), you can turn it into a really heavy sounding chord. most chord voicings that guitarists use aren't in root position. the standard barre chords that everyone knows (major, minor, dominant/major/minor 7, 9) are all drop-2 or drop-3 voicings, and they sound very different from root position. try playing an open c (x30210) and compare it to a barred c with the root at the same fret (x35553). they sound different. learning how different voicings sound and how to play different voicings of the same chord all over the neck is very important to improving your guitar playing and developing your own style.

the difference between scales and arppegios is that scales include the notes in a key while arppegios include the notes in a chord. playing an arppegio is very similar to playing a scale (you can very easily sweep a scale), and you can play the same arpeggio in many different ways, just like scales. you just have to take the time to play slowly and learn where different notes recur over the fretboard and how they relate to the chords they form.

an a minor scale is really the same thing as the c major scale--in fact, the aeolian(minor) and ionian (major) scale shapes are next to each other on the fretboard. if you learn the notes on the fretboard, you can play canon in d (or most melodies) all over the fretboard with the exact same notes.

just take some time and figure stuff out. there's alot of information online that can help you along. i spent three months learning this stuff when i was 15 and i can't begin to explain how beneficial it is. it's really slow and painful at first, but it's a necessary first step to going on to more complicated theory stuff and it's a great help when you're playing with bands--any good musician can tell you how frustrating it is to jam with people who don't understand how scales and keys work very well.

..wow that was really long, sorry. hope it helps though :lol:

 

[bluepowder]

Dood Fenderrules: no offense my friend, but you can find all this information and WAY WAY MORE on a lot of websites,google is your best friend. .Find the site that suits you best, and just learn...simple as that.

 

[Foo]

guitar arpeggios and scales can be found in guitar manuals.

or just search online.