'Cables' by natebakescakes (Alternative Rock, I think)

Bumping it up.

Constructive comments about the mix components, vocals, synths, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

Also maybe some advice regarding the composition would also be nice.
 
I think its a really good song, great production work. However I feel that at times the vocals are being drowned by the instruments. Awesome job anyways!
 
I think its a really good song, great production work. However I feel that at times the vocals are being drowned by the instruments. Awesome job anyways!

Haha, thanks for the compliment! :D

Yeah, I know about the vocals thing. I actually worked the mixing to try to boost up the vocals but I think it's the EQ-ing that's the problem. I find it really difficult to get the track to sit right in the middle of track. Coupled with the many layers of synths and guitars, it was really difficult to get the vocals to cut through the mix this much already.

If you have any advice regarding vocal EQ-ing please provide some insight on this matter.

But yeah, I worked my balls off for this song, so I'm actually glad it reached this standard. All I have is Logic Pro and my guitar.
 
I've heard suggestions from other forums to use a ducker (or ducking) to let the vocals pop over the instrument tracks. I'm not too clear on this issue myself, but it could be a good starting ground to do some research on.
 
Nice work.

As for the vocals, the mix indeed is drowning it out - on a few counts:

1. The sheer volume of instruments going on at the same time (you need to decide which instruments you want to tone down).
2. The vocals could do with some limiting and compression. As for EQ - have you tried increasing the higher end?
3. The synths and guitar panned left and right to the spot and alternating in character, although is a good musical style, actually distracts the vocals which is smack in the middle. That, I believe, creates a pseudo lack of volume for the vocals (just by mere distraction alone). I think if turning the volume for the instruments down may help, or widening the stereo field of the other instruments so they don't lie on an exact spot on the left or right. Widening the stereo field of the vocal may also help.

There are a few tools that can help you in widening your stereo field. I use Nugen Stereoizer. There are freebies out there - like that from Flux (which is one of the better ones I found compared to others).

Disclaimer - I'm no expert sound engineer.

I like the intensity you created in the song.
 
Add on to Cheez no 2. You can try a "dry" vocal track and send bus to highly compressed vocal bus. Along the song do your automation on the volume of both track accordingly. The method is called parallel compression I think. You could search youtube for example. This method is good if you have trouble with series compression on your vocal track. If your compression has dry and wet signal, it serve the same thing too. It work on drum kit too.

For me, your right electric guitar you can do doubling, but maintain most of the volume on right.
Your backup vocal can send more reverb, make it sound behind your main vocal clearly.
 
Thanks to xfigox, Cheez and kongwee for the time taken to listen to my track and also jotting down some notes for me!

Regarding the mastering, I used iZotope's mastering software for a quick all in one processing on my track post-mix. So, I don't really think stereo widening and harmonic excitation is really much of a problem. Too much of it would definitely be jarring for the ears. That being said, I feel the stereo positioning of my instruments weren't very well done which may have caused some of the problems you guys have mentioned. The right electric guitar was panned too far right and sort of removed the idea that it was a rhythm guitar.

I agree with Cheez too, that I needed to focus on which instruments I should highlight at each portion of the mix. I think this stemmed from the fact that I've worked on this song for about a month, which made me know all the intricacies of the song which first or second time listeners would definitely miss. So yeah, I'd work on this too. I'd probably outsource my mastering to someone else once I get enough songs to release an EP so I would have a fresh take on the tracks. But generally, I really do have to brush up on my mixing. Currently reading many guides and tutorials on it so yeah, hope it improves.

Regarding the effects. I used a general plate reverb for my vocal tracks to have that pop sheen over it but didn't really play around it. I sort of chose a preset and left it there instead of tweaking it to enhance my vocals. So I'd really have to work on being a perfectionist and stuff. For the compression, I don't really agree with Cheez in that I think instead of the lack of compression, I've used TOO much compression. The ratios were definitely out of balance and I think I've compressed the signal so much that I've removed most of the dynamics of my voice. As for the suggestion for parallel compression by kongwee, I'd definitely look into that thanks for the tip!

So yeah, just some notes for the stuff I've learnt from your comments. Although I didn't quite agree with all of them, it did force me to re-listen to the track focusing on certain things which allowed me to learn from my own mistakes myself.

Putting the production aside, I hoped you guys generally enjoyed the song for the music itself. This is a general sound that I've chosen for my project; music that I like.

Just to let you guys know, I won't be re-releasing this track. Instead I'm going for a 'let's look back at what I've done and I see the progress I've made' kind of thing. So just look forward for my next track! Hopefully it'll be a step in the right direction.
 
i can't say i really like your voice, abit generic if i'm to be blunt.
but i think the song is pretty cool, it's almost radio-pop but it has an edge to it which is quite nice.
nice production too.

cheers
 
i can't say i really like your voice, abit generic if i'm to be blunt.
but i think the song is pretty cool, it's almost radio-pop but it has an edge to it which is quite nice.
nice production too.

cheers

Yeah, my voice isn't exactly my strong suite in the first place.

I was actually thinking of getting someone else to do the vocals but I decided that it'd take too much effort getting someone else to come to my house and learn the song, and whatnot.

Also, thanks so much for the compliment!
 
Nah, your voice isn't bad, just not my cup of tea. I can see how some would like it.
BTW, were you from acs junior by any chance?
 

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