Budget vocals/guitar cab/acoustic recording

thor666

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Thought most of us actually end up wanting/needing to do recording at home, so I started this thread.

Can anyone recommend what is needed for decent vocal/guitar cabinet/acoustic recording into a computer? Software, preamps, microphones? How good a soundcard should I be looking at? Have a onboard Realtek audio.

Not looking at using my amp line out - it just fails to capture what I hear live.
 
So far I've come up with a mini list:

Software
Audacity (for Windows/Linux)
GarageBand (for Mac)

Microphones
Shure SM57/58
Samson C01U (Condenser USB)
Samson Q1U (Dynamic USB)

Audio Interfaces
Line 6 TonePort
Yamaha MW10
M-Audio Fast Track USB
Presonus Inspire
Presonus Firepod

Soundcard
?
 
other than the firebox... u can also try inspire 1394, it is quite cheap... it is also sold at hung's and luther music... intel duo core user beware.... ask the shopkeeper if the cubase can run on intel duo core com or not.... to my knowledge the patch od the intel duo core isn't out yet

the other alternatives are protools Mbox or Maudio. it comes with a copy of protools LE 7 which can be run one both mac and PC... The Mbox would cost u abt 800bucks while the Maudi cost u abt 500plus bucks... as for protools i think u don't realli hv to bother... coz thy alrdy came up with the patch.....

as for mics... for instruments, the universal mic alots of ppl out there use is the sm57. It all boils down to what kind of instrument u r recording again....as for vocal... there are some audio technica large - diaphram condenser mic which cost ard 300plus, i think it is worth the try... sound on sound magazine reviewed the mic... it was quite amazing based on their words... but still if u hv a chance to try it.... TRY IT!!

i will do a mini list when i am free...
 
here's a super budget alternative :

Instrument > Mic up > Preamp > Soundcard > Software

Instrument : Guitar/Vox

Mic Up : Earphones/headphones > plug into your "red" port of your realtek audio soundcard. yes, using your earphones as microphones.

Preamp/Mixer : click start run "sndvol32.exe" , Options > Properties > Adjust volume for recording. select Microphone and jack up the volume. I don't know if your sound card supports, but try click [options > advanced controls] and your microphone channel will have [Advanced] and enable "Mic Boost".

Software : Audacity.

there you go. do post your home recording up on yousendit.com for us to check it out.

80¢ worth
 
I assume you are talking about recording one source/performer at a time, and overdubbing later.

Consider the Samson CO1U Usb mic. Mic, preamp, USB interface all in one. Supposedly decent sound. Cheap. 8O

Only other thing you need is headphones.

Provided you don't mind working around the limitations of monitoring playback tracks while recording new tracks inherent in using this thing, this will be a great solution.

google and read up reviews to know what are the limitations.
 
Hmm. Seen the Samson mic today - apparently they also have a dynamic version in USB port. Samson mics do look cheap, not sure if they're value for money.

Actually, anything that can record decently would do as well - standalone recorders perhaps? Anyone own one and have comments on them?

I realised I forgot to put a budget, so a realistic budget for everyone: $200-500. (excluding a computer, I assume everyone has one.)

Anyway, updated the minilist a bit.
 
May i know what's with the need of the preamp?

Cos what i do is just to use the normal karaoke mic to record and it seems to work just fine. Does the Shure mics need preamp? Or it's just something to give it a little more power/oomph/whatever?

Also what's with the requirement of firewire port?

Just to share with u my really budget recording setup

Instrument: Guitar > Cube 30 > Creative Audigy Soundcard (yes Audigy 1) > Adobe Audition

Vocals: Karaoke mic (since my mom's laser disc karaoke days) direct into the mic port of the soundcard.

For vocals i tend to use the +20db mic boost tt came with the recording function. So yea, is tt the so called "preamp"?

Pls kindly advise.
 
Like i mentioned from another thread, for karaoke mics, check out Audiotechnica XM1S(vocal mic) and XM3S(instrument mic). I find they are great mics.
Tried an old Sony FV-310 before, and it suck big time!!!! But maybe the higher models may sound good, but i already have a bad impression!!! And Sony mics ain't cheap!!
I wouldn't even touch Philips or Daiyo karaoke mics, the brands just sound so commercial!!
8O
 
When talking even about budget gear, the 1st thing is to ask what your need is...
Is it for ?
1. Acoustic Setup (Mainly acoustic songs)
2. Electric Setup (Mainly electric rock songs)
3. Piano setup (Mainly piano love songs)
4. ouch , too many!!!!!!!!!

The minimum differs for different needs...
If just an acoustic setup would be simpler to start with, but really not easy to end with. Get a good sound acoustic guitar is no.1, and this doesn't mean getting the most pricey one. For wooden guitars, each piece sounds different, and sometimes you find really good cheap ones...
Miking would be largely important for acoustic, but it kills 2 birds with 1 stone. Get a good large diaphragm vocal condenser, this same one can be used for acoustic and vocal recording.
Preamp doesn't make as much difference, people have great misconception with preamps, thinking they have to buy pricey ones. Brands like Art and Presonus stock models at roughly $350 which would be enuff, other alternative is to get a Mackie mixer (known for it's good preamps).
And interface is necessary, but for simple setup, get Maudio, Tascam, Presonus or Yamaha. Just roughly $300-$400 would be enuff. Don't get Echo unless you are really computer savvy. And pls no Creative unless you want to play games...
Get a good sound studio headphones for mixing, roughly $240. You need it bad unless you want to spend days after days troubleshooting your mix. Remember time is money...
So, for minimum acoustic setup would be Acoustic Guitar($300-$400), Interface ($300-$400), Headphone ($240), Preamp(Optional) ($350).
For less than $1500 would be enuff for minimum setup...
I won't mention about the other setups cos there's too much to talk about...
Many people really think they can setup a studio and hit the button and get good production immediately... I noe it's actually cheaper than a car to set up a studio nowadays, but people tend to forget one thing else, that is "GOLDEN EARS"...
It takes many years or experience to be able to mix and tweak the sound well, and even if you have the good gears doesn't mean you can end up with a commercial standard production. That's why people pay for studio time and look for producers and sound engineers to do the job...
Remember, time is money!!!!! If you are just a musician or hobbyist, i recommend you pay for studio time rather than sit round all day tweaking, unless you don't want to see yourself performing anymore..
The other alternative is if you want to be that star artist/producer/musician then go ahead!!!!
 
Bro thor666 bro, the presonus firebox is goot stuff. If you need discount for that, you can call a dodgy pedal dealer in Clementi for help. Donch mention my name... Hurhur.

But the Firebox is ard $500++. Bro, if you wanna cut back on the new amp you are GAS-ing for, you might have more money, bro. A SM-57 is a workhorse. Some ppl swear by it; some don't. At least, it's affordable first lah! Worse come to worse, when you need to upgrade in the future, there's always a market for it. If not, do multiple mikings on da amp!!!

Remember the motto of the OTHER forum, less is more but more is always still MORE!!!!
 
Hurhurhur. The new amp is already sunk cost bro. Mic wise I think the SM57 will be good, but the Firebox is the moolah drainage. Ciel was suggesting the TonePort or GuitarPort but I was thinking of getting something more specialized for recording.

More more more! Maybe when I start working. Now is buy one sell one... :cry:
 
Hi Thor,
The biggest issue about audio interface is more than just features, it's about reliability and compatibility. Computer's are the largest headache in life, and if you want to sink in to the world of troublesome troubleshooting, then go ahead and get something cheaper.
I have never personally tested the toneport or guitar port, but all i can tell you is that Presonus is a very solid and reliable brand. I don't work for them, but i have two gears under them, and they maintain solid and without any flaws over the years.
There are few brands i really like for value and workmanship, these include Presonus, Alesis, Audiotechnica and Audix...
 
thor666 said:
Hurhurhur. The new amp is already sunk cost bro. Mic wise I think the SM57 will be good, but the Firebox is the moolah drainage. Ciel was suggesting the TonePort or GuitarPort but I was thinking of getting something more specialized for recording.

More more more! Maybe when I start working. Now is buy one sell one... :cry:

Though the Firebox might be outta your range now, why not get a beginner audio interface for the time being? Something old like a M-Audio Quattro.
 
Yamaha MW10, $400 b4 discount, USB Mixer, Output 2 channel L+R, 4 XLR inputs + 4 Preamp, 8 mono channels, includes Aux Send and Return, Channel Inserts. Come with Cubase LE OEM version.
Also includes Phantom Power.....
USB Plug and Play, compatible with PC and Mac.
Can be used as an analog mixer as well.....
 
Thanks guys for all your suggestions. I think given my current budget, I'll go for 2nd hand Presonus or a 1st hand M Audio Fast Track. Need to start saving up now I guess.

Updated the minilist again.
 
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