BUCKETHEAD

[ChanMin]

ok ... bucket head plays really fast... he is a shredder... and if he could come up with really nice and catchy Slow catchy solo lines... he would have.

yes shredders can play slow........ but the really catchy lines come from people who made do with their limited knowledge.... like slash with the pentatonics and the minor scale. or Jimmy nolen - james brown's guitarist with his 3 note wah wah lines...

jazz guitar players can play more then 10 diff variations of an Em chord. Funk players only need 2-3.
Funk , technically or musically less profound then jazz is therefore deemed catchier.


one thing is ...that satch's playing is TONED down... his work focuses more on the Song. He plays whats appropriate for the song. Though different genres... i believe bucket head does include stuff in his tracks that are just there for the "look how fast i can shred" value.

satch can shred.. REALLY fast.and he can pull off crazy technical stuff most of which bucket head will struggle to keep up with...
both of them can sweep , tap , double hand tap , shred at few hundred bpm... but is that all there is to writing a good guitar instrumental?

whats the point? its music .... not the olympics.

 

[NoMiS]

mm.. upon reading the whole issue.. i do have to agree with pple who agrees tht shredder can write catchy riffs.. becuz..
they really can..
and i believe satch have the technical abilities like buckethead... and ya take local talents for example... paul danial.. he has a song tht is full of shredding... but he also have songs tht has catchy tunes... if u guys have watched the video at myx studios.. u will noe wat i am toking about.. so whu says shredder cant write catchy licks man... i agree with chan min.. and min spell my nick backwards.. u noe whu i am.. wahaha.. see u guys arnd.. and yes keep music alive here in spore man..

 

[ChanMin]

hahah nar-hia... simon ....

yea i understand shredders can play and write catchy stuff.... but the fact is that most of the time... CATCHY and innovative stuff ..... still comes from the people who learn to make the the most out of what limited guitar knowledge they have.

some times learning too much can have a negative impact on your creativity. you think too much... like " oh i need to add a sweep here... that'll be cool ... " or " it doesnt sound hard to play "

Thats is why paul daniel always says stuff like " let go .... and just play what your heart tells you. " and other really zen and deep thoughts... hahaha cool guy.

i enjoy shred music... eg malmsteen , paul gilbert , buckethead , joe stump..pettrucci , dhaliff...( hahah) ..ETC ETC ETC... all GREAT players..with GREAT stuff....
but i feel none of them can replace slash or santana .... which is what gruel said.

buckethead rocks ok, he was in GNR for 4 years if you all remember and i think he kicks slash's ass big time .... he's now in C2B3 with les claypool and the songs they perform are great .... buckethead shreds fast. .... I'd kick Satriani out for him to join G3 ...

 

[Vaiyen]

ok ... bucket head plays really fast... he is a shredder... and if he could come up with really nice and catchy Slow catchy solo lines... he would have.

yes shredders can play slow........ but the really catchy lines come from people who made do with their limited knowledge.... like slash with the pentatonics and the minor scale. or Jimmy nolen - james brown's guitarist with his 3 note wah wah lines...

jazz guitar players can play more then 10 diff variations of an Em chord. Funk players only need 2-3.
Funk , technically or musically less profound then jazz is therefore deemed catchier.


one thing is ...that satch's playing is TONED down... his work focuses more on the Song. He plays whats appropriate for the song. Though different genres... i believe bucket head does include stuff in his tracks that are just there for the "look how fast i can shred" value.

satch can shred.. REALLY fast.and he can pull off crazy technical stuff most of which bucket head will struggle to keep up with...
both of them can sweep , tap , double hand tap , shred at few hundred bpm... but is that all there is to writing a good guitar instrumental?

whats the point? its music .... not the olympics.

I believe that Buckethead is above Satch technically because he is supremely well-rounded. He can pull off all the usual shred techniques at the highest level. I.e. He can pick, legato, tap, sweep, all at virtuoso level. He is a monster.

Satch on the other hand, does too much legato. 95% of his licks are legato. From studying his pieces, I find that he cannot pick very well. He seldom sweeps too so we don't know how good it is.


We all know that music is not about playing fast, but IMO, a good guitar instrumental requires a mix of slow and fast playing. That makes for dynamicism (sp?), drama, and contrast.

Playing slow all the while is boring you know?

 

[marshall_law]

The only shredder i respect most is Eric Johnson. Look at his voicing of the chords and how he phrase his solo. His work is almost flawless. His solo has good motive and great development.

I agree with ChanMin that music is not olympic. Neil Young does not play fast but the stuff he writes is great, IMO even better than the shredders. I can listen to Keep On Rockin on the Free World for 10 times in a row but i can't listen to For the Love of God 10 times in a row. Unless it's a DVD, it'll be a different story. What would be more enjoyable than watching G3 Live?!

 

[Vaiyen]

no one ever suggested that music was the Olympics.

 

[Mjollnir]

yea eric johnson rox.i think ive got a demo by him or something i cant remember if i still have it my friend gave it to me

 

[hofner]

OK hope someone can answer this question.

WHere can i find colma by buckethead and how much does it cost

 

[blahblah]

i would say that buckethead can do virtually anything..if u've listened to his original songs. he's way more creative than slash or satch by creating all sorts of sounds and stuff with the guitar. he can do both techincal yet emotional stuff..but buckethead's not about technical playing or emotional playing..its just werid stuff that he comes up with..either you like it or u dont..but both ways, buckethead's fucking good. before u critisize buckethead for being an unmelodic douchebag like malmsteen...buckethead can pull off emotional playing well..just download some gnr rock in rio stuff and watch...as for the technical aspect..if u've have had the chance to see gnr play nightrain live, slash cant pull off the more technical songs like nightrain, he screws up..but buckethead can. IMO..buckethead is above slash in terms of ability anytime but slash also has his own style and charisma.

 

[man_kidal]

ChanMin obviously has some problems with people who think Bucket is better than Satch. So what if you think Satch plays better? Alot of people here think buckethead is so much more musically inclined, me included. I would like to know what songs by Buckethead you've listened to, that would probably make sense why you think boring joe is better than him.

 

[ChanMin]

dude... "i" think satch is better then bucket head.... ive got no problem with people who think otherwise...

yes ive heard of stuff from both artists... though not in depth as neither are my guitar heroes.

do respect my opnion as i do yours.

 

[Silencer]

i don't think you can compare slash and buckethead. slash wrote those solos, he's the original player in those rifts with gnr. Just because someone else 'might' be able to do it more technically proficient then him doesn't prove a thing.. Just because u can play DT doesn't make u as good as DT. It makes u a good cover band.

there are so many factors, techniciality, the 'feel', image etc... but all in all, the public always is the best judge of that. Look at where slash took gnr to. look where buckethead did.

as for kicking satch out of G3 for buckethead, maybe it'll happen like after another decade or so. but now? even his student vai can kick bucket'shead.

 

[Vaiyen]

I don't agree that the public is the best judge of 'who's better'. Does the public know who Shawn Lane and Allan Holdsworth are? NOPE. Two of the most insanely talented guitarists ever, and they remain obscured from the public.
And for the sake of discussion, if the public was the best judge, then Britney Spears must be the most talented musician EVER!


and um, Buckethead is already above Satch technically. And has the songs too.

 

[Silencer]

I don't agree that the public is the best judge of 'who's better'. Does the public know who Shawn Lane and Allan Holdsworth are? NOPE. Two of the most insanely talented guitarists ever, and they remain obscured from the public.
And for the sake of discussion, if the public was the best judge, then Britney Spears must be the most talented musician EVER!


and um, Buckethead is already above Satch technically. And has the songs too.

haha good analogy there, but i must disagree. fans probably love britney spears, i mean i do too.! she looks stunningly hot!! but i'm fairly certain the bulk of the public would agree with me her songs are crap. and certainly, i'm sure not a single one of us would say she's a musician the way satch or buckethead is.

buckethead probably has great songs, but i don't think its quite fair to compare songs taht way. i've listened to rock in rio, and i still prefer slash's version. i just don't think u should insult the original artists of the song that took the world by storm that way.

i think the true test of skill is to weave insane technical and super (insert ur instrument here) skills into music that can be appreciated by everyone. or if u're not very technical, amaze everyone by the feel of it. afterall, music really is all about feel isn't it?

after all, what's the use of being like the best to a selected few? if u're that great, prove it. the way the legends of the 70s did.

 

[man_kidal]

Vai is good, better than buckethead perhaps, but Satch just isn't metal. Yes, you heard it, i hate all music other than rock. Satch plays stuff that just makes me want to sleep. Anyone who disagrees is wrong.

 

[Silencer]

Anyone who disagrees is wrong.

i like you already

 

[ChanMin]

hahaaha ...

anyone who disagrees with you is wrong?...

that statement just makes u look bad dude...

no offence really , but a forum isnt a place to prove who is right or wrong. Arguments take place... yes... but the main thing is still to exchange useful ideas and information...

 

[3notesAbar]

Vai is good, better than buckethead perhaps, but Satch just isn't metal. Yes, you heard it, i hate all music other than rock. Satch plays stuff that just makes me want to sleep. Anyone who disagrees is wrong.

Haha cool statement there :lol: Problem is, i dont think you can find anyone here foolish enough to dispute with your personal sentiments on Yourself. Peace. :?

 

[Vaiyen]

A closed mind is the root of stupidity.


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[Silencer]

hahha... oh well....

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