BOSS CE-3

part_time_idiot

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Can anyone tell me abit of info on this pedal??

eg. how to utilise it, reliability issues, tone-wise, comparibility etc...

Found a second hand one in the market.. its made in Japan.. going for roughly sin$80 (if the conversion rate is Rm1:sin$2.6)

Also tell me if its worth that much and the acutaly price of the pedal in store..

Abit of paint chips and scratches.. no dents..(according to the owner)

Give a fast reply plz... need to make the decision fast
 
Yes, if its working, and for 80, ignore the chips... go for it.

Its a very very GOOD chorus apparently, in stereo too.
 
hahaha.. yeah.. u can say its good and all.. no offend but.. how good is good? and wat distinguish it from other chorus pedals out there??

Another thing i would like to consider... can i match this with those on board effect in the AD30vt??
 
one person good could be another person's moderate...

if i say that the the ultimate is a TC electronic stereo chorus flanger, analogman bi chorus or the boss ce-1 because it is deep lush and gorgeous sounding, will you give up the ce-3 and go for the AM or the ce-1?

No offence i hope, but how good is good mean nothing much in words even if the rest say that the ce-3 is better than the ch series of boss chorus or other brand because what we usually compare to, are just the one that we heard, but might not be what you like, for chorus.

If there's any chance for you to try, hear it and see how you like the chorus tone. And seriously, for $80, it's considered ridiculous cheap for a discontinued boss pedal...
 
ah... yeah.. u see previously i have a bad exp with the vox ad30vt... everyone was ... EITHER THE CUBE 30 or THE VOX will be a good choice.. and so i bought it in a spur.. to find the many limitation of the amp..

just wanna make sure that this aint the wrong stuff...

another question, i wanted a simple rig, which is able to play many genres, so wat pedals do u reckon? i am thinking whether will i be using delay alot or the reverb.. i havent seen any guitarist set up in mags (Guitar One) with the reverb in....

plz give me some rough idea on setting up my rigs
 
For a simple rig, i would suggest a high-end multi fx unit. Easy to setup, if that's what you're after.

But it seems you're on the stombox path, so in that case, for a simple setup, i would say get a distortion/overdrive (or better still a 2-in-1), and a delay. you dont even need a chorus pedal, i feel.

With good distortion and delay pedals, you can cover many genres.
 
part_time_idiot said:
ah... yeah.. u see previously i have a bad exp with the vox ad30vt... everyone was ... EITHER THE CUBE 30 or THE VOX will be a good choice.. and so i bought it in a spur.. to find the many limitation of the amp..

just wanna make sure that this aint the wrong stuff...

another question, i wanted a simple rig, which is able to play many genres, so wat pedals do u reckon? i am thinking whether will i be using delay alot or the reverb.. i havent seen any guitarist set up in mags (Guitar One) with the reverb in....

plz give me some rough idea on setting up my rigs

Thats the problem when you don't take reviews with a pinch of salt. On harmony central, you have lots of these people who have no experience with other gear going "THIS IS THE BEST AMP EVER!!!111" or "THIS PEDAL IS GODLY!!111" Psychologically, this is their way of justifiying spending a few hundred dollars on their purchase.

It's no difference on this forum. I've seen some bad recommendations before but it's really up to you in the end to sort out which is which. Look for the people who know gear, who have tried many different pieces of gear, who have posted sound or video clips of themselves playing whom you find are good. Lean more towards the advise of these people.

The sad thing about the guitar gear industry is that it targets the newbies. Behringer's employment advertistment states that it is looking for engineers who can make the cheapest circuits possible. They know they can do this because the newbies will come in and suck it all up. They think that just because it's cheap it doesn't mean its crap. And probably they don't have the experience and the ears to tell the difference between crap and.. not crap.

But again, after reading my advice, still take it with a pinch of salt. The bottom line is: GO TRY THE DAMN THING OUT. Sit there for 1, 2 or 3 hours if you have to, but go and try it out! Everytime I want to buy an amp, or a guitar, or any pedal, I go all over to try out everything, including those I cannot afford, so I have some bearings and can compare and contrast. Here you go, I'll even show you my SINGAPORE'S ROUTE OF TONE. I walk the whole way, not more than 15 minutes between locations.

Peninsula - Davis, Music Theme, Guitar connection, Luther, Guitar77
walk to
Bras Pasah - Ranking, Swee Lee, Guitar Workshop
walk to
Park Lane - Guitar Gallery, Allmusic
next to
Peace Centre - Citymusic
walk to
Plaza Singapura - Yamaha

There are a quite a few shops off these locations where you can get some other stuff. I can't remember all of them off the top of my head but here's the few I can remember now.

MrMisse - Misc Boutique stuff and other imports
Hung Brothers - Proco Rats, Tonebones and some other stuff
Swee Lee at Alujunied
Wake me up Music - Queensway.

Yes it will take some time shopping. I usually take at least a week trying and contemplating before buying. But it will be worth it. You will want to keep your gear for years. What's a week or a month.

Sad to say, the valvetronix line does not take too well to pedals. Before you buy any pedals FOR THIS AMP, make sure to test the pedal out ON THIS AMP. People usually buy a modelling amp because they don't want to carry around pedals and stuff. It really is not built to have effects in front of it. And there's no ffing way to bypass the bloody DSP.

And your question about reverb, not many people explicitly say they use reverb, or even reverb pedals. But many guitarists use some reverb, usually from the amps. The good ones are usually with well built reverb tanks. But, if you want to hear someone famous for reverb, check out Dick Dale, the king of surf.
 
haha.. thanx alot.. blueark and MrE, i dun intend on getting those amp modellers yet, my fren recomends the V-Amp2 to me.. but i m not really game for those multiefx.. too much hassle to tweak... =.="

my fren told me that for a good lead i deffinitely need abit of reverb and atleast some delay... so i was just being curious how true is this... my valvetronix doesnt seems to give me fat sound... it sounds too thin sometimes.. so i use the chorus and reverb setting to fatten up the tone..

but i suppose if i were to add a pedal, there is a bypass button isnt it? i might as well just use a clean amp setting and bypass the dam thing...

And btw wats a dsp??

i dun really use delay.. coz i dun really know how to use them yet...
 
part_time_idiot said:
my fren told me that for a good lead i deffinitely need abit of reverb and atleast some delay... so i was just being curious how true is this...

it's not true. u can do without delay or reverb.

u might like some depending on the kind of music you play.
 
For good lead tone, at least IMO, what you need is a drive pedal that makes your sound really rich in harmonics ('toneful').

Reverb does give more 'presence' to lead tone, and a little delay has a similar effect.

Using chorus with overdrive/distortion is not something i would do for lead... it creates chimey-sounding, 'ringing' tone that to me is cheesy and irritating. BUT dont get me wrong, i love a lush, clean chorus any day :)

the 'bypass' button you are referring to is the on/off footswitch for all pedals. on this topic, you need to know the difference between a true bypass (ideal) and passive bypass (bad). A true bypass completely takes the pedal out of the signal chain... but a passive one will still alter your guitar's tone when it is turned off. Do a search on this forum for more info.
 
The Valvetronix is a modelling amp. Even on the clean settings.

DSP is digital signal processing. Basically it takes your continous wave guitar signal, breaks it into millions and billions of 1's and 0's. Plays around with them to try and make them give a "Fender Clean" or "Marshall Crunch", then converts them back into analog.

Here are 2 pics of digital vs analog:
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Werte-analog-digital.jpg


In theory, if you break the wave into small enough pieces, you cannot hear the difference between digital and analog. A CD is digital.

In practice, there are different views. Some say analog sounds warmer. Others attribute the warmth to "flaws" like noise (hiss), compression, loss of certain frequencies, etc. Analog fans will say that digital sounds "sterile" or "harsh".

I am partial to neither and go by the school of "if it sounds good". Most of the time, this lands me in the analog region. However, digital processing has become increasingly advanced and I do use them. My delay in particular is digital and I'm very happy with it.

The problem comes into play when you input signals that neither of them are used to. Most effects are built to manipulate a straight in guitar signal. When you push in an overloaded signal or such, the effects do not work as intended. With a analog effect, sometimes this "accident" can lead to interesting or in fact, better than intended results. The characteristics of the components may clip or compress the input signal in a very musical way. However with a digital effect this is very iffy. Because they have to convert everything to 1's and 0's, if you feed them some signals they are not built for, they may become very confused and output some gibberish. Some do, some don't, so like I said, go try out whatever you are buying.

my valvetronix doesnt seems to give me fat sound... it sounds too thin sometimes
This was the first thing I noticed when I tried it out. It sounded like the sound was coming from somewhere hidden inside the amp. Then when I tried the pathfinder, it sounded like the sound was jumping out from the amp into my face.


the 'bypass' button you are referring to is the on/off footswitch for all pedals. on this topic, you need to know the difference between a true bypass (ideal) and passive bypass (bad). A true bypass completely takes the pedal out of the signal chain... but a passive one will still alter your guitar's tone when it is turned off. Do a search on this forum for more info.
Its actually called a buffered bypass. Boss uses these. Buffered bypasses are good in some situations but they WILL affect your tone, some more than others. The Boss buffered bypasses are generally accepted as quite ok as long as you don't chain more than 3 of them together. Bypasses are another whole world of technicallity. Maybe I'll write about it some other time.
 
Ah.... excelent explanation ark...

I ve read abit about buffers and by-pass... if i m not mistaken, someone wrote about it previously with the use of monkey theory... haha :lol:

Ah.. now i cant do anything with this screwed up amp... gotta make do with it for the time being until i ve got enough experience and most importantly Ca$h to get a proper and versatile clean...

*my dads gonna screw me if i get another amp within a month of my purchase... :twisted:

The valvetronix is really handicaping... can only use those preset effect which cant be mixed and matched...

have anyone used V-Amp 2??? how izzit comparable to the Line 6 - Pod 2.0??
 
Actually if you are still new with guitar, the valvetronix may be an excellent way to start out. Don't worry so much about the effects first, learn to play properly with minimal distortion.

When you find yourself feeling the need for a certain sound (I want some echoes... HERE!, I want my guitar to sound like a 12 string!, I want to sound like I'm playing in a huge cave!) then go look for stuff. You have a lot of effects with you in the form of the valvetronix, so play around with them, get an idea of what you like to hear.

I got by with just a DS-1 for the first 5 years of my playing.

I haven't tried the V-amp 2 but I heard that it is not as good as the original V-amp. The original V-amp was comparable to the PODs and actually I prefer it over the PODs.
 
actually i ve learnt guitar for quite sometime.. 1yrs plus maybe...... but i just bought the electric last month.. so now i m fiddleing with those effect.. i guess i wanna improve abit of my listening techniques first before i go on....

I just somehow come across this Boss pedal few days ago.. and was wondering whether its a good deal so i posted...

initaially i thought of buying second hand pedal after half a year.. haha
 
ShredCow said:
in any case, for 80 bucks, you can look at it as an investment. Go check ebay for how much those babies fetch.


YEAH!!! Thts wat i was thinking.... coz if this babies are something like tubescreamer 9 or something i ll be banging my head for few months time...

Haha...

I ll think over it i guess.... but are u sure Rm 200 is sin$80?? :?

Btw ebay shows only around US$25-30 its less than Rm200 and wats those black labe, green label etc??
 
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