Bands towards Gig Orgainiser

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its realli hard to organise gig here in SG. and its much much garder to please everyone. i heard of issues such as Organisers wanting bands to sell tix but did not pay the bands a single cent even if the bands draw lotsa crowds and Bands which demands lotsa things when they actuali are a bunch of newbies who dont know much bout gigging.

Integrity = 0
 
I think you misunderstood me, what I was merely trying to say is that your previous statement seems to imply that bands are pushing all the work on your shoulders, which is not the case. Also, I didnt say that organizers arent doing any marketing, it just seems like bands are doing all the marketing/advertising, because we arent informed of whats happening/whats going on behind the scene. Do you understand what I'm trying to say here? And could you maybe explain what those jargon (WOM, A&P) means?

About your ticket sales policy, we werent informed about that, so forgive my ignorance.
 
I think you misunderstood me, what I was merely trying to say is that your previous statement seems to imply that bands are pushing all the work on your shoulders, which is not the case. Also, I didnt say that organizers arent doing any marketing, it just seems like bands are doing all the marketing/advertising, because we arent informed of whats happening/whats going on behind the scene. Do you understand what I'm trying to say here? And could you maybe explain what those jargon (WOM, A&P) means?

About your ticket sales policy, we werent informed about that, so forgive my ignorance.

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Firstly WOM means word of mouth, A&P means advertising and promotions. I get what you mean by not hearing from organisers, but honestly as event organisers we have many things at hand so please forgive us if you do not hear from us. But as promise, assure that WOM is done for each and every event. And you mentioned about bands doing all the advertising and marketing, i would say 70%, 30 % . 70% marketing from band, 30 % from organisers. Tentatively, the bands that play for us are still small so i think its only reasonable if before we market aggressively for them they should put inn effort by proving to us how much they really want to get up there? Reasonable statement?

=) No need to apologise its a free world just hope Freemansland intentions can be more vivid to the public that we do not help bands that spoonfeed and if you want us to help you, at least prove to us something cause we are talking about investments.


Cheers!
 
just a little point to add-

no band has ever regretting marketing and promoting itself. food for thought.
 
haiyo if you had a bad experience with someone else. dont generalise and make it seem like all organisers are like that.
and please refer to older threads if you want to talk about this.
like enough already la.
 
I don't know whether this has been said but I think, from a business perspective, everyone has to work hand in hand to achieve the basic objectives of a gig.

Hell, I am in no way experienced in this kind of stuff but I suppose this is how things usually happen (do correct me if I am wrong) -

1) Bands want to play to an audience and garner support and recognition for their talent, technical proficiency, performance and song-writing skills. Others might actually be wanting to promote their own CDs and stuff.
2) Some bands are willing to play for free, some expect some sort of payment.
3) Gig organizers want to make money out of hosting a gig.
4) Some gig organizers are musicians themselves and are doing it to push for support for local music.
5) Some audience expect to watch for free, most gigs nowadays you have to pay for entrance, just like going to most clubs.

I think ideally, a gig organizer usually has to source for sponsorships and work with brand names who are looking constantly to create awareness for their products ie. marketing. So, for example Marigold wants to reach out to teenagers and get them to drink more healthy drinks like their Nutritea range, instead of carbonated drinks - so, gig organizer approaches the F&N and signs a deal that states F&N will pay a certain amount to gig organizer and F&N gets to hang banners and basically advertise at the event. That certain amount goes to hiring the venue and equipment.

Then gig organizer approaches a second sponsor and the second certain amount of money goes to paying the bands, and marketing the event.

The gig organizer finally approaches a third sponsor and the amount goes to the organizer as their profit.

The bands who are selected to play, in their part pay for the jam practice sessions themselves, as part of their own marketing budget.

This is of course, based on the presumption that the bands featured are well known and it's almost guaranteed that their fans will indeed come and support them. For the scenario where the bands are not so well-known but are being part of a push to promote local upcoming bands, I guess the marketing efforts have to be more aggressively done, and more sponsors or even support from eg. NAC or something will be needed.

But remember, this is an ideal scenario lah.

If I am guessing correctly, gig organizers who even take the initiative to look for sponsors maybe having a tough time with local companies, with the fact that most Singaporeans don't really support local music, and that most of these gigs - the turnout is like what, a hundred? Two hundred people? So, for some companies, it's hard to justify the money involved.

Of course, like a lot of things in life - it's quite circumstantial lah, these things. You don't usually get what you want or expect but I am sure if more people are aware of exactly how things work - they may be able to cooperate with each other, instead of going at each others' throats. No doubt there are very evil, conniving people but there are very nice people abound too.

At the end of the day, it really depends on whether the gig organizer is out to just make money and not care about the bands and the music involved, or they want to make some money but at the same time, they really want to be involved in creating awareness for local music, and share the passion.

I don't know. Maybe my views are just very simplistic but hey, everybody's learning at all points of life.

So, I just want to learn and see what exactly are the issues faced by all parties involved.

Surveys can help a lot, I think. Ask the audience what they think of the shows so far, and what they want to see in the future. Ask the potential sponsors how a holistic marketing effort can be done to benefit the brands, the companies involved, the organizers, the musicians and the audience. All at the same time.

Of course, there'll always be a problem of saturation and how it is easy to be jaded when there're gigs like every weekend.

How do we try to overcome all these factors?

Well, that''s my short contribution on this topic.

:D
 
bands and organisers both shouldn't be looking to earn profits when playing or organising shows. that way both parties wont suffer big losses
 
What it all boils down to is, promoting local music, that is what you organizers claim to be doing right? Prior to these organizers claims of advertisements, yes, i see the posters but i don't see the band names mentioned in these posters. And when the bands themselves design their own posters, they are asked by the organizers to remove these posters. CLICK.
Are these gig organizers trying to promote themselves or the bands which they so claim to be promoting? In comparison to some of the more devoted organizers which i have come across, they don't make such a big hullabaloo over profits.
 
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bands and organisers both shouldn't be looking to earn profits when playing or organising shows. that way both parties wont suffer big losses

I dont think anyone's really looking to earn profits, atleast not in my case. I think everyone's more concerned about the quality of the gig.

And Franseca you get another hug for that! LoL.
 
If gig organisers want good crowd response. Choose the bands to play wisely. Promote the event and itll be a good gig for all. That way you can pay the bands and not worry about the crowd they bring. Its not their job to pull crowd. Its the organiser's job to bring in the crowd. And if its a good band, you just found the band fans. Because ppl enjoy good music. And by doing so, you'll be actually setting a standard for bands to play in a gig. Thus bands will work harder to be tighter, more original and stuff like that so that they'll be able to play gigs. So more quality bands will rise. That way the scene will prosper. If u keep taking bands who aren't even half tight and expect them to bring their crowd, its like asking a baby to make babies. Thats just my suggestion. hope it helps...
 
SOME organizers just 'find' bands. Make sure they sell tix. But never make the effort to design a poster with links etc. I wonder when will the bands be heard to the masses.

Need more promoting and such. Quality over Quantity if you ask me. But need alot of quantity to reach the quality.

Also , don't think about making alot of money yet. :)
 
Platform for Local Mu.

Hi all,

sorry to interupt the convo... I guess the whether the event company should be in charge of the marketing of gigs should be discussed before in between the bands and the company... whether anything is stated about marketing inclusive of organising the gig....

However, I would be interested to help out those bands/gigs whom are in need of posters.... cant guarantee a world class poster but just my two cents worth of contribution...

My online portfolio at tanhongwen.multiply.com (but its all photo based)

Im currently working as an event assistant for MAAD... Market of Artists And Designers (Maad - Market of Artists and Designers www.maadsunday.blogspot.com)..

I felt MAAD is a good platform for Local Musicians whom wants a place to outreach their thoughts too... currently we offer performance space at $40 per day... Sadly we didnt have any amplifiers or drumsets availiable... but do drop us an email if you are interested...at elf@maad.sg...

Do checkout the gigs on this weekend by Faith and Green Swallow...

Lastly, this is not for promoting/marketing purpose.... me myself as an amatuer guitarist and music lover hopes that the Local scene one day can bloom....


Cheers,
wen.
 
What it all boils down to is, promoting local music, that is what you organizers claim to be doing right? Prior to these organizers claims of advertisements, yes, i see the posters but i don't see the band names mentioned in these posters. And when the bands themselves design their own posters, they are asked by the organizers to remove these posters. CLICK.
Are these gig organizers trying to promote themselves or the bands which they so claim to be promoting? In comparison to some of the more devoted organizers which i have come across, they don't make such a big hullabaloo over profits.

Reply: I think you misunderstood what i was trying to say. I said you can grab off the posters from the website. I did not say take down the current photos.
 
Mmm freemansland, i spoke with you already. I guess threads like these are unavoidable but it's not like much is gonna change. This thread is getting boring.

Hey guys!!! Anyone watched Harold and Kumar yet???
 
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I would encourage budding bands to volunteer at least once with gig organisers to get a good look at what goes on behind the scene.

Oh and Aging Youth is always on the lookout for eager helpers :)
 
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