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An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new xxx students to stand and.....

Professor: You are a xxx, aren't you, son?

Student : Yes, sir.

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Prof: Is God good?

Student : Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student : Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't.
How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?

Student :Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student : No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

Student : From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?

(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student :Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?

(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the
world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student : No , sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says
your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

Student : No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat,
white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold.
We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go
any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we
use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something.
You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you
have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it?
In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness
darker, wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality.
You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.
You are viewing the concept of God as something finite,
something we can measure.
Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism,
but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as
the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a
substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the
argument is going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not
teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class is in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it,
touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable
protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH.
That is all that keeps things moving & alive.
 
Wow. Is this real? Or is it something which you'd came up with? The student makes a lot of sense but at a same time, the professor did make a statement which the student really failed to answer.

Why would God allow the creation of Satan?
 
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IM GOD OF THE ANTI-CHRIST


come on guys..it's SOFT please don't talk about religion >>it will hurt alot of people
 
Why would God allow the creation of Satan?

Satan was one of the fallen angel. He wasn't created to do evil, but he is the chief musician amongst the angels.

Satan's original name is Lucifer, then he became hungry for God. So God had to banish him from heaven & he brought several followers along.

Satan is the one who started all your black metal, heavy metal, death metal, brutal posthardcore grindcore screamo etc. kinda music. Realized the aggression in those genres? Who do you think it came from? Who even inspired the forefathers of metal/hardcore to even create metal/hardcore music?

Food for thought.
 
if i was the student i would have bashed the freaking prof for asking a stupid qns.how can science prove god's existence.god's presence is infinite like the galaxy.there is no end.

btw this thread is too religious.someone do something.before it gets worse.
 
yes..


i already stated clearly too end this thread


to the thread person

you're a trouble maker for posting such religion stuff
 
If you argue on that basis, then I guess I can state my points too.

God is just, yes?

Then why God it a He? That is inquality itself.

And secondly, why did God create beings who are lesser than him, instead of equals? That isn't very fair of God, is it?

Thirdly, who was the one who placed the apple tree in the garden?

Furthermore, males and females. Equal? If God was so perfect, he would have thought of what differences could create.

There's many more I can state.
 
wow... nice 1 by the students.
i dun think the treadstarter is a troublemaker... he didnt even mention wat religion it is.
sharing only wat...
unless if there are any scientist here who agrees tat science is above God.
i guess 1 have to be mature enuf la if want to join in the discussion in this thread.

the conversation is abt a debate between God & science.
the answer will always be faith. and science will still be only science.


a good one bro tribalcast!
 
Science can be proven correct. Where as faith itself is intangible and subjective.

Weigh them and you'd see.

Faith doesn't give concrete facts while science does. Faith is built upon nothing. Insecurity, maybe.

I'd say science wins.
 
i dun think the treadstarter is a troublemaker... he didnt even mention wat religion it is.

lol... I'm quite sure the threadstarter is a christian...

That isn't a real conversation obviously, it was probably made up by some christian trying to make it not look like it's one-sided, hence the format of a conversation.

Wrong place IMO, you're just going to attract all the malicious atheists and self-righteous christians to engage in a pointless debate.
 
Religion/God/Faith its actually partly for the human species to have something to hold on when you're in times of trouble. I'm not denying religion/God/faith, i'm just trying to say that isn't it more of yourself than God/religion/faith? Imagine not studying at all for an exam and expecting to get A just by praying, obviously you know what's the end result.
 
In Science, knowledge is found by applying the scientific method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method).

Not by reading an old book claiming it's own contents to be absolute truth and singing emotional songs in a support group.


The Scientific Method:

The essential elements[9][10][11] of a scientific method[12] are iterations[13], recursions[14], interleavings, and orderings of the following:

* Characterizations (observations[15] , definitions, and measurements of the subject of inquiry)
* Hypotheses[16] [17] (theoretical, hypothetical explanations of observations and measurements of the subject)[18]
* Predictions (reasoning including logical deduction[19] from the hypothesis or theory)
* Experiments[20] (tests of all of the above)
 
Actually I do not think there's any wrong in posting such a thread in the forum. As we all can see, this is a debatable topic... We do not know if we're right or wrong. We're just expressing our own views. We can support the laws of science and say that we cannot prove that God exists but on the other hand we can also say that we believe that God exists even though we can't prove it.

There isn't anything malicious about it. We do have a freedom of speech here. At least here.

Anyway, I would like to comment on something though. We all know that Satan was actually Lucifer-one of God's created angels. But if we think about it, God created angels to execute God's wills and since God is all-powerful, he will create an angel and the angel will probably work like a man-made mechanism. It will run well, and run precisely and accurately. So, if Lucifer actually turned his back on God...

Firstly, why can't or rather why didn't God curb him?

Secondly, does an angel actually have that much power to be able to roam freely right under God's nose?

Thirdly, why didn't God ensure that Lucifer could run like a machine to perfection when Lucifer was first created, forever obeying God's instructions since angels were created for that matter?
 
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Whether there's a God or not, whether Christians are right, or whatever, it cannot be denied that the argument that there exist both light and darkness in the world, in both the literal and metaphorical sense of the word.

The threadstarter is not a troublemaker. He is not drawing absolute conclusions. Many religious people I know never have to ascertain the root of everything they believe in before they begin to have faith in it. There exist great spiritual minds among the most prolific scientists in human history, like Einstein, who had great faith in God, and never pretended that fully understood the universe, or even dreamed of coming close.

Both the religious and the scientific are in pursuit of truth, and it is the dogmatic and unyielding nature of hardheads on either side that separate the groups. It is more important, rather, to take an educated perspective and allow both sides their claims. Most attempts by either to discredit the other out of fear simply make things that children can understand, difficult, intricate, academic, and pointless.
 
And for the record, the Bible is a great work, and if people seek support or closeness with their God by music and fellowship, so be it!

I think claiming the Bible's contents to be absolute truth can be dumb too.
But the values espoused are true, even if the facts may be arguably vague and unproven. And that is the whole point of the Bible. Quibbling over the facts just makes you lose the message. Imperfection is inevitable in everything on this Earth. So what? If the message of love is perfect, who cares about the things you can touch and taste and feel?

In Science, knowledge is found by applying the scientific method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method).

Not by reading an old book claiming it's own contents to be absolute truth and singing emotional songs in a support group.
 
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