AMPLIFIER CHOICE!! HELP!!

[Crawldaddy]

Hmm.

I recently took out the backing piece of plywood and it has a better bass response *tip alert* :lol: and I also vacuumed out the cobwebs stuck amongst the speaker cone.

So far it's been serving me faithfully since I got it from Malaysia when I first started out playing the electric guitar (way back in 2004).

However that said, I take good care of my stuff and I do not bash it or put it in a spot whereby it constantly receives abuse.

Any other Marshall MG15-CDR users out there? :twisted:

 

[ahmad0410]

ok guys...lets crack the pinata ..b4 evrything gets uncontrollable..lol

the reason he wanted an 100 watts amp is because of its 2 channel =.=.
so tt his frens can come along and "jamm". with tt amp.
that doesnt sound okay at all to me..haha..

 

[Crawldaddy]

Hmm.

If you wanna jam in your room.. get 2 amps of a low wattage.

It makes no sense to use a 100-watter for the 'dual-channel' role because the high and low inputs are meant for individual usage of different guitars with different pickups (unless I'm much mistaken).

just find a cheap jamming studio and whack away (no pun intended). After all I don't think jamming studios have a volume margin... it's just a matter of how long you can stand 50-watt amps cranked up to 70%.

or even 100% in some scarier cases :?

 

[jon__]

Any other Marshall MG15-CDR users out there? :twisted:

used to use one..it's the reason i started using od pedals :roll:

i just made a very cool amp acquisition which should be in singapore soon..will post pics when it comes

 

[Funk]

dude he only has $300, its not enough for a 100w amp, hence why he asked if he really needed a 100w amp

I've seen 5150 combo selling for $300 SGD flat before dude

But of course if we listen around to professional recordings we can certainly draw the line between what is good and what is bad. THAT'S my guideline for good tone: professional quality sounds.

If you are in the business of 'Professional Recording', you'd understand that there are overlaps of track, post e.q, etc, etc. For me, a good way to determine it's "good" is to hear it live.

Unfortunately, in Singapore...the availability of amps is pretty limited as compared to the States, professional recording is our next best option. I have to concur with you.

And in a HDB bedroom, you can't really turn it up. My 15 watt solid state never goes past twelve o clock.. otherwise my family starts complaining. also because I play at odd times like three am in the morning, but that's another issue in itself..

That's practical thinking man. I live in a HDB and I'll turn it up just enough. If it's 3 am in the morning, don't play it then (unless of course you have a sound proof room). It's not impossible. There are ways not to "disturb" your neighbours you know.

and I never said that amps over a hundred watts sound bad; it's just that for both feasibility and affordability issues, do you REALLY NEED over a 100 watts?

You still don't get it. It's not about the wattage. It's about the amp. Some amps have that certain characteristics that other amps don't. And that particular amp may only be available in 100 watts (e.g). In search on tone if you ask me, YES....I do need that amp if it's what I'm looking regardless of it's wattage.

let's not forget that more watts = more dollar, and that dollar can be used to spend on stuff like pedals.. effects... other guitars, pickups that can help one to find his 'tone' without disturbing the neighbours.

Wrong again. More wattage does not = more dollars. It depends on the amp itself. A 150 watt MESA Triple Rect is NOT more expensive than say a Soldano SLO-100. That's just an example.

And for your statement to say that those dollars can be used to spend other "stuff". Well that's your opinion. Other people may have other goals. You want something real bad save up your $$$. It doesn't come overnight. Priorities man. Step-by-step.

I can say that IF volume is your problem than I can conclude you will never truly explore the world of amps. I'm not being harsh but I'm expressing my opinion based on personal events as said before. There is always a solution to consideration. It's how much you really want it.

and let's not forget that tube amp power attenuators are being used for a reason, too. of course this is only for tube amps, but still.

I've tried a lot of attenuators so you're preaching to the wrong crowd. It didn't work for me. I use my amps "raw". Well that's me I guess 8)

 

[ala_carte]

Hmm.

No. If I have the EQ going into the gain channel it produces this unwanted hissing sound (yes I have changed it to a 3-pin plug) which is irritating.

hey crawl how long have u owned the amp for? i happen to have the same problem with the amp overdrive a few months after a stupid bugger dropped my amp at an audition.


really should have collected $50 from him...

 

[thor666]

But of course if we listen around to professional recordings we can certainly draw the line between what is good and what is bad. THAT'S my guideline for good tone: professional quality sounds.

There's also DI recordings with postmixing etc etc. And these DI recordings can't be brought into live settings. So I do think it depends.

You still don't get it. It's not about the wattage. It's about the amp. Some amps have that certain characteristics that other amps don't. And that particular amp may only be available in 100 watts (e.g). In search on tone if you ask me, YES....I do need that amp if it's what I'm looking regardless of it's wattage.

Yes and no. No because it's possible to design an amp with less wattage but a similar tone (without certain high wattage characteristics such as bass response, loudness, headroom etc); yes because most amp makers design their amps for 1 or 2 single purposes (bedroom amp designed as bedroom amp only, live amp designed as live amp only). So in that I do agree with you.

I can say that IF volume is your problem than I can conclude you will never truly explore the world of amps. I'm not being harsh but I'm expressing my opinion based on personal events as said before. There is always a solution to consideration. It's how much you really want it.

Yes, no, maybe. Heh. I think we'll never explore enough amps. It's certainly fun to try different things once in a while though!

 

[An_Hetfield]

hmm any websites for vox???

 

[An_Hetfield]

my neughbours doesnt matter the noise lol, and my mum not at home in the evening shouldnt be a problem jamming.

 

[An_Hetfield]

soo high watts = bad tone??? is it true???
i want an amp that has a good tone tho but louder than my smarvo amp

recommendations welcome

 

[Marksman]

soo high watts = bad tone???

That is new. (tries very hard not to laugh)

I find the Ibanez Toneblaster 25R to be decent, go try it out.

 

[Fumoffu]

soo high watts = bad tone??? is it true???
i want an amp that has a good tone tho but louder than my smarvo amp

recommendations welcome

The guys here will most prob ask u again on what GOOD TONE is? What tone are u looking for? Nice clean tone or able to handle heavy disortion/metal stuff?

 

[Funk]

Yes and no. No because it's possible to design an amp with less wattage but a similar tone (without certain high wattage characteristics such as bass response, loudness, headroom etc)...

I've talked to a few amp builders and read from articles that a similar model amp with the same characteristics will not sound tonally similar if their wattage is different. In fact, many says that there will be noticeble differences. I guess characteristics wise it's pretty similar but overall tone is slightly different.

Yes, no, maybe. Heh. I think we'll never explore enough amps. It's certainly fun to try different things once in a while though!

We have to explore as much as opportunity gives us right

 

[suspend_thought]

Can you PLEASE PLEASE not quote selectively.

Let's not forget that our choices are built as much as on how our budget limits us. If you are looking for a certain tone, then by all means try all amps available, regardless of wattage.

but the topic poster asked for amps with his only requirements being that it fitted his $300 budget and were 100 watts; thus I posed the question -- do you really need 100 watts?

Thus, YOU might need that 100 watts, but in context, looking at the topic; it is rather redundant.

And more wattage DOES = more dollars, looking at products on a similiar line. Let's compare fairly here, it's like asking why a 15 watt solid state MG15CDR costs 200 compared to a Reverend Goblin which costs six times that? That's obviously not a fair comparison. And let's not forget that we do not control the prices; but rather the sellers, and we simply look at them and dictate what we can buy.

Let's also not forget that people have different views on tone, and acquisition of said tone.

Thus I do believe it would be more helpful to the topic poster to look at what he wants and suggest accordingly, instead of picking on what somebody says that's perfectly validated, and instead of responding productively choose to ignore said validation blowing it up beyond proportions, wouldn't it.

 

[Funk]

Can you PLEASE PLEASE not quote selectively.

I post selective because I want to concentrate the flaws point to point. You are getting all worked up...why? It is a gear forum where people discuss their opinions man.

Let's not forget that our choices are built as much as on how our budget limits us. If you are looking for a certain tone, then by all means try all amps available, regardless of wattage.

Your previous post simply does not relfect that at all.

but the topic poster asked for amps with his only requirements being that it fitted his $300 budget and were 100 watts; thus I posed the question -- do you really need 100 watts?

Thus, YOU might need that 100 watts, but in context, looking at the topic; it is rather redundant.

It's NEVER reduntant if there is a willing party whose selling a 100 watt tube amp for $300 or less. Might sounds impossible but like I said, I have seen 2nd hand tube amps going for that price.

I believe your point in invalid as you are trying to back track what you said. I'll summarize what you said in your previous post. You think it's not practical to own a tube amp in a HDB as not to disturb your neighbours. From there it really shows that your emphasise is not on his budget but on practicality.

And more wattage DOES = more dollars, looking at products on a similiar line. Let's compare fairly here, it's like asking why a 15 watt solid state MG15CDR costs 200 compared to a Reverend Goblin which costs six times that? That's obviously not a fair comparison.

IMO, you don't really know what you're talking about. You never stated that you are refering to similar lines of products. Hence, quite a few people already posted saying that more watts does not = more dollars. Not just me. You never explained your point clearly. In context, it's not even a point IMO. That statement about "More wattage DOES = more dollars" don't really have much relevance.

And let's not forget that we do not control the prices; but rather the sellers, and we simply look at them and dictate what we can buy.

Let's also not forget that people have different views on tone, and acquisition of said tone.

It may dictate what YOU buy but not me. If I want something real bad, I save up for it. So your point is a matter of personal preference. Don't accuse me of forgetting about people's preference. I'm the one who pointed that out to you.

Thus I do believe it would be more helpful to the topic poster to look at what he wants and suggest accordingly, instead of picking on what somebody says that's perfectly validated, and instead of responding productively choose to ignore said validation blowing it up beyond proportions, wouldn't it.

I don't agree. Accusing people especially the topic poster for ignoring to respond "productively" and "blowing it up beyond proportions" just shows your frustration that no one is acknowledging your claims.

For me it doesn't matter. I give advice & opinions. It's up for the people to take it or not. We're here to help each other out.

I don't want to be offensive or anything but I can't see how arguing with you would solve any problems. It's just not worth my time or anyone else's for that matter. I have to stop here before it turns into a flame war. And I don't want to run around circles with you. Like I said, I give advice & opinions it's up for the people to take it or not. Take care I do hope you find your tone 8)

 

[LUCRETIA]

Amen

 

[Crawldaddy]

Hmm.

-ala carte- I have been using it since early 2004.

I'd suggest you take it to an amp repairman... but if it's worth doing so is another topic of debate.

 

[suspend_thought]

It's NEVER reduntant if there is a willing party whose selling a 100 watt tube amp for $300 or less. Might sounds impossible but like I said, I have seen 2nd hand tube amps going for that price.

I believe your point in invalid as you are trying to back track what you said. I'll summarize what you said in your previous post. You think it's not practical to own a tube amp in a HDB as not to disturb your neighbours. From there it really shows that your emphasise is not on his budget but on practicality.

Like you said; they're second hand; and second hand items are based on availability -- which was what I said.

I quoted an example of why I thought 100 watts would not be feasible as a practice amp, using myself as an example of why those extra watts could not be put to full use in a bedroom situation. And let's not forget that in my initial post; the very first thing I said was that one couldn't feasibly get 100 watts within $300 dollars.

IMO, you don't really know what you're talking about. You never stated that you are refering to similar lines of products. Hence, quite a few people already posted saying that more watts does not = more dollars. Not just me. You never explained your point clearly. In context, it's not even a point IMO. That statement about "More wattage DOES = more dollars" don't really have much relevance.

And this response holds relevance how? You quoted an example, using the price of a Soldano amp, which is a relatively boutique line of amps against a Mesa Boogie, which might not be cheap but is more common fare. This is why I said it was an unfair comparison.

It may dictate what YOU buy but not me. If I want something real bad, I save up for it. So your point is a matter of personal preference. Don't accuse me of forgetting about people's preference. I'm the one who pointed that out to you.

Let's not forget that there's a $300 budget floating around in the first post of this topic; a point which you never addressed yourself.

I don't agree. Accusing people especially the topic poster for ignoring to respond "productively" and "blowing it up beyond proportions" just shows your frustration that no one is acknowledging your claims.

For me it doesn't matter. I give advice & opinions. It's up for the people to take it or not. We're here to help each other out.

I don't want to be offensive or anything but I can't see how arguing with you would solve any problems. It's just not worth my time or anyone else's for that matter. I have to stop here before it turns into a flame war. And I don't want to run around circles with you. Like I said, I give advice & opinions it's up for the people to take it or not. Take care I do hope you find your tone 8)

Yes, we're here to help each other out. Which is why I pointed out that getting a 100 watt amp within $300 was not particularly feasible, and suggested him downscaling his expectations.

Was your response to that statement justified? Did it help anyone?

We're here to help people, not to start flame wars; this is probably a point we both agree on. Peace out 8)

 

[trianglebiscuit]

whats wrong with your current amp? (apart from the "lack of loudness")

 

[Funk]

Suite yourself suspend_thought. I hope I did help the thread poster. At least I know I didn't accused him of ignoring to respond "productively" and "blowing it up beyond proportions. 8)

You can't get 100 watts reasonably within 300 bucks.. and do you really need 100 watts? That's damn bloody loud, even on a solid state

I leave this quote to show your post suspend_thought is not based on price tag but the issue of volume. YOUR issue. In that very quote you also said "You can't get 100 watts reasonably within 300 bucks". That I think is wrong as nothing in impossible. THAT is the bottomline IMO.

My post does not address to the 300 budget as that is not my intention. My points are to correct the flaws I think exist in your post. Not the thread starter's.

Was your response to that statement justified? Did it help anyone?

*Sigh* why do I even bother conversing with you. I'm not here for the image or recognition man. I'm not here to accuse people of not acknowledging that my post is valid either... :idea: