guitar pedals, analog/digital.

unholyernest

New member
ok.. i know the story of analog and digital guitar pedals can go on and on and on...

but i think its the first time this issue has been brought to the recording section..

i need to confirm that.....
analog pedals can generate "nicer/neater" sound waves for easy editing.. while digital makes a mess... was told by a friend lah..


recording direct-in.. like..
guitar>pedals>audio interface

not micing up of any amp...
 
I'm not sure what exactly you're asking about, but analog pedals don't generate "neater" sound waves. Can you rephrase your question? Or maybe explain what you are trying to do, and what are your concerns?

If you're talking about editing your sound wave in the computer, you cannot edit analog sound waves on the computer. Everything in the computer is digital. This means your audio interface is going to convert your signal into digital.

Many guitarists stay away from digital pedals because they feel that digital pedals sound bad. It has not much to do with whether the sound waves can be edited easily.
 
okok.. paiseh paiseh..no wonder no one reply to this thread...

its like.. lets say this distortion pedal for metal players like me..

when i turn it off.. i play clean and record..the waves are like..nice and neat.. i can see the rhythm of the waves..

but if i turn on the distortion and record my rhythm.. the whole wave is like.. black colour.. means the wave are freaking big.. i never recorded any analog pedals before..so i was thinking.. if analog distortion pedal might look "neater"..and that i still can see the rhythm.. rather than the wave black black one...

i dun think its my signal too powerful.. cuz the drop the volume of both the pedal and computer but its still the same..

untitled.jpg


as u can see.. the black shit.. totally cannot read loh.. but the track under it..i still can read the rhythm..so that i can cut and edit the waves.. adjust gain..blar blar blar...
 
Last edited:
It would be the same and normal for either analog or digital.

Your pedal acts as a booster for your signal. The sound is basically sustained alittle longer witha slower decay. Softer sounds coming from your guitar becomes visible. So you see this waveform that resembles more of a brick wall.

Edit:

You might wanna watch your recording level. Your sound is clipping in both clean and driven. Bring it down so that the top and bottom of the waveform doesn't touch the top and bottom of the track.

Dunno how else to make it any clearer, but I hope that helps.
 
Last edited:
so analog and digital pedals dun make a difference in the wave lah..

and also..i'm not clipping lah.. its that i amplified the wave.. there's a control at the top right to adjust the size of the wave..
i did it to show that the "Brick wall wave"..the actual wave is smaller..but still one black patch of thing..haha..
 
Last edited:
ya..thats y i rather record clean and use VST... like amplitube..which i really love it.. hahaha..

but too many VST plugins would kill my processor.... haaaiii..

change of thread topic.. any ways to do more plugins and track but not lagging my processor? "blueprintsstudio" told me about freezing track..i tried but no use leh..
the drums sample is the main thing killing my computer.. using "additive drums"..
 
What's your computer's specs like? RAM and processor especially.

Apart from "freezing" the track, I can't think of anything either... apart from upgrading your hardware.

Maybe do individual tracks first on a separate session, apply all the necessary plugins, mix it down into a wave sample, then import all thise mixes back to your session into one master session? That will use less processing power, I THINK, but will be tedious if you want to do any changes to your individual tracks afterwards.
 
Last edited:
umm..i'm running on acer laptop.. windows XP..
core2 duo 1.6Ghz, 1GB ram.

upgrading ram doesn't help leh..cuz if it helps..i would have done it.. its the processer that i cannot change!

got no space for desktop man.. but i got dream of how i wanna set up my desktop.. haha..
core2 quad 2.4Ghz (i'm not greedy)..2GB ram.. graphic card must be able to support 4 computer monitors! hahaha... then i can record and tweak stuff without having to click here click there...
can watch 4 diffferent porn videos at the same time.. hahhaha!

its really the drums sampler that killed me.. cuz without the drums..i can run 20 tracks with VSTs for each...with the drums..i can only do like 8..or even lesser..

guess i have to go back and do the traditional method loh... micing up of amps...
 
Hi unholyernest,

So I understand that you are not clipping at the recording stage, i.e. the signal your audio interface is receiving is not too high. But, your waveform that "looks like a BLACK CHUNK" definitely resembles digital clipping. I don't know for sure without looking at the waveform closely, but digital clipping can occur in digital multi-effects board and is actually a very common phenomenon.

Remember, if you are using a digital pedal, it can clip within the pedal too. What a digital pedal does is:
1) Convert your guitar into Digital
2) Add effects
3) Convert back to analog and output to 1/4" main output (some multi-effects board have digital output too, via USB or SPDIF etc... so this stage may be skipped)

It acts like a "mini" computer with a soundcard (A-D and D-A stages), so clipping is a definite possibility. To check for clipping within the digital effects board, zoom in your recorded waveform and observe the peaks. If they look flat, and your effects is not a square-wave type fuzz, it is most likely clipping within the effects board.

Try to observe for both clean and distorted waves. If it clips even in clean, you simply need to lower your guitar volume.

If it clips only in distortion, you need to:
1) Check that you don't have too much pre-gain.
2) Check that you don't have too much post-gain.
Remember that both pre and post-gain can bring the signal beyond clipping point.

One very common problem with guitarists using digital effects is that they tend to add too much pre-gain in order to achieve higher levels of distortion. You can't afford to do that in the digital domain because digital signals don't "clip in a nice-sounding way". If you need higher distortion, add more drive (compression) to the signal, and lower the pre-gain.

Hope I helped!
 
oh.. thanks a lot! i understand now..
u really know your things well.. haha.. can tell i'm using digital effector as a audio interface..


mine clipped only for distortion channels bah.. thats y i prefer to use vst and bypass the effector.. still saving for the presonus firepod..
 
No problem.
Have fun with recording, and enjoy using the Firepod when you get it ;)

Have you also tried Native Instruments Guitar Rig for guitar effects? It's pretty good to my ears, and quite fun to play with.
 
ya..i used to have guitar rig 2..but it stops now on my computer...it hangs after 5 seconds.. whether is it VST or stand alone..
guitar rig can sound more metal.. but sounds very digital leh.. prefer amplitube which is much warmer.. sounds more like..i really mic up..
 
I tried the amplitube before. Nice sound but cant sustain notes very well, it cuts off after awhile. I find hardware based amp/cab simulator to be better.
 
Back
Top