WTS Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster

andy_cy90

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Letting go a BRAND NEW Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster given to me as a gift 1 year ago.
Its not the kinda guitar I'm looking for unfortunately. Bought from Swee Lee Music.

Specifications are as follows:
- $2100 Negotiable
- Condition 10/10
- 3 tone sun burst colour
- Maple neck
- S-1 switch available
- Only taken out from hard case twice after receiving it. Played once only for 10mins.
- All original items that comes along with it remains in case

Do not wish to trade, just want to sell it.
Will deliver to your house for testing before dealing only if purchase is confirmed.
Will not allow testing as it is BRAND NEW, and want to retain its perfect condition for the buyer.

Sms/whatsapp me at 92230409 (Andy).


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i do not mean to threadjack BUT...

to say that you 'Will not allow testing as it is BRAND NEW, and want to retain its perfect condition for the buyer' is plain silly.

you played it for at least 10 minutes, didnt you? having said that, could it still be considered 'brand new'? essentially, it is BUT technically, it isnt. no matter how 'new' any item is, if someone else had owned it and USED it prior to having bought it, it is no longer BRAND NEW. you may say that its previously owned, only in brand-new condition.

you dare say you wouldnt allow testing of the guitar to preserve its being BRAND NEW when clearly, you've tested it yourself when you 'played it once for 10 minutes'. you wont allow it to be 'tried' with so you can keep it 'brand new' when you have played it yourself. no matter how short 10 minutes can be, giving you the full measure of the benefit of the doubt that you only used the guitar for no more than that, you still owned the guitar- used it and kept if for a significant amount of time. it aint that brand new.

under your close supervision, in your own turf, would it really hurt for someone to gently test it?

is it under warranty? if so, had it been writen under your name? if there is something wrong or spoilt with the guitar's electronics or mechanisms, will you refund the buyer his/her cash? or will you suddenly go MIA, cannot be reached by call/SMS, treat the deal like its leprosy not wanting to have anything to do with it or turn into the infamous bully Ah Beng seller and say crap like 'you so cheap you buy 2nd hand - you wan walanty you go peninsula o swee lee!!!'

(note: the following scenarios are just my own mussings and does not reflect verified facts. just open possibilities. no way im i accusing the seller that it is what i think it could be).

for you to have taken a mere 10 minutes and say this isnt the guitar you're 'looking for', its either:

1. you got this guitar, and since you now realize you really dont want it anymore, you are selling it and get as much as you still can from it by saying it has been barely used - for ony 10 minutes.

for someone who got this as a gift, you are selling it like you're afraid to lose money from it. here in soft.com, ive seen guys who bought gear, treated it like their baby, keeping them in MINT condish. some even have put in insane amounts of cash to upgrade them and yet still sell it with a considerable loss. while you received this as a gift and yet selling it so close to how much one would sell in bgw.

you might say that it doesnt follow that if you got something so cheap (in this case, for free), you ought to sell it cheap as well (they say whay you get for free, give it away freely). i somehow agree. but i guess its a general notion that people hate it that others would get so much for so little they put in.

perhaps it was someone close who bought you this, could be a wife who wanted to surprise you but chose the wrong guitar. now you are wishing she wouldve told you so you could have chosen the guitar yourself not to mention, she couldve gotten a better deal because she bought from an expensive store, being uninformed and naive she is. but then again, it was a gift and meant to be a surprise. nonetheless, you would act pleased and show her youre happy and tinker with it, once or twice for a total of 10 minutes then keep it in the case, under your bed or in your closet. now the wife sees you arent really using the guitar and practicality sets in. she agrees to sell it.

so again, for someone who got this as a gift, you are selling it like you're afraid to lose money from it. perhaps because it was basically your money too that she spend to buy you this. her money, youre money. same difference.

2. you dont really play.

which explains why you expect people (and say it like its a usual/common/acceptable practice) to buy from you a $2000 guitar without having tried it. a true guitarist would (and i think even every budding guitarist should) hold it and feel if the neck fits right with his hands, tune the guitar to see if the tuning machines turn smoothly and afterwards strum a few chords unplugged, listening if the wood sings while checking if the frets are leveled and there is no buzzing.

would it lose value to plug the guitar in and check whether the switches and pots arent yet scratchy and still move smoothly after just lying inside the case, untouched for a year? Or at the least, to know if the pickups are working at all? how about playing a few licks with some bending to see if the guitar holds in tune (no, im not saying you try a van halen dive bomb with it)?

ok now. back to the facts.

i am aware that you are not compelling me to buy your guitar so it shouldnt concern me, right? yes. and not exactly.

it is your guitar and you have every right to price your item. however, the question is if it will sell or must you reconsider? that is beyond me. i have enough strats and im not about to shell out a month's wage for another one (or any other strat for that matter).

what gets me is this thou-may-not-test-the-guitar-les-it-spoil-its-perfect-condition condition you have implemented on your sale. and again, it is your item and that is your prerogative. hell, you can add 'must wear a hazmat suit if you wanna try the guitar, to avoid contaminating the guitar's prestine condition - bring your own hazmat suit (borrow from civil defense)' and no one may object. however the question is not whether someone can get their hands on a hazmat suit so they can test your guitar but whether its right (fair and reasonable) to make it impossible or not at all for an eager and gas-induced person to test the guitar before buying it.

even music stores allow it. why wont you? you may say youre just an individual selling his personal stuff. but thats mainly the reason! if the guitar suddenly goes kaput, will you give their money back? even stores wouldnt be so kind to give you back your money right away and offer to repair or look into it (although if its a defect and still under warranty, you can demand for your money at some degree). how much more a mere individual like you?

and this is a MUSIC web community. yes this is the buy/sell section but this isnt just the classifieds of another site - its a site for musicians and music lovers. taking that with a grain of salt, the welfare of the musician should always come first. also, if you wont allow some sort of testing, it will never be about the music. People would never grow out of the idea unreformed newbies fall for and get stuck into - that just because its a FENDER and its a DELUXE, it HAS to be good (or Gibson, PRS etc). Although it might be true that it would be hard if not impossible to find fault with a Johan Gustavon, still, it might not be the guitar for you. You wont and cant know that for certain unless you've actually held that guitar in your own hands and heard it with your ears. Even online shops offer the return option in case you wish not keep the thing. A reputable pro-musician shop should.

Some will say let them learn by trial and error, like most of us did. We've all had our share of stupid buys and lost cash on purchases we made with merely hype-induced GAS. Im not saying this guitar is all but hype. But buying it without having trying it is - unless of course you have no better use for a couple of thousand dollars and want to store it under youre bed or as an expensive conversation piece hanging on your living room or perhaps a cool backdrop for your next video blog, i dunno.

Isnt this a learning process? Being in a music website, shouldnt we be telling people to seek out for their own tone so they wont just end up amassing gear so they can write every single one of them down on their signature and show on every thread below every post they make? We buy gear and eventually sell them to get whats 'better' coz our tastes have changed and has elevated to another level. But at the moment of buying, we were convinced that 'that' was the 'sound' and 'vibe' we wanted.

Im not against gear and having them. But when it has gone to the point where the gear has totally overshadowed what its supposed to create, i believe something is wrong. Plain silly.

OK. Rant conluded.
 
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Felt exactly the same when I read the ad. Why can one only test it when there is an agreement to buy it? Most guitarist cannot confirm any interest unless it is tested. $2000++ is not cheap and no one (no matter how wealthy they are) will shell out that amount without testing the goods.
 
I own the 08 model and the pricing is proportional to the quality IMHO.
What yubsesperat says is true and you may have to reconsider your testing criteria.
 
I think the only place you can get a "brand new" guitar is from a shop or order direct. Once touched considered used theory applies I guess?
 
andy you might want to rephrase it as 99.8% mint condition(.2% gone for the 10 min touching). a year old guitar is not brand new. unless one orders online, buyers would definitely wish to test/view the guitar if sold locally. but if you offer money back guarantee thats another story.....
 
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Hi fellow readers. I appreciate what you guys are trying to tell me, especially user yubsesperat.
I have to agree that i may have made a mistake in the description of my guitar.
Yes, it had been played by me for a mere 10min, and probably some other guy tested it for an even longer duration than me when it was hanging on the rack in Swee Lee back then.
I guess i should have stated it as being in a Brand New condition and a condition rating of 9.9/10, rather than just brand new and 10/10 becos theoretically its incorrect like what you've explain in your extra long reply.

Anyway, the reason why I stated "no testing" unless you sort of made up your mind to buy it is because i don't want anyone to just show interested and go ahead with testing, and might end up leaving a scratch by accident. You see, if 5 people were interested and all were to test for 10mins, i'm afraid that after the 50min playing session, scratches or any other form of deterioration might occur. This may or may not result in a loss of value of my guitar, but may cause other buyers to actually think twice about buying it, or even use the flaws to further haggle the price.

Dear yupsesperat, i have no means of offending you in my little ad trying to sell my guitar off. But it seems like i did. So i will apologise to you first, sorry. But i have no idea why you had to be so offensive and insulting in your reply, maybe its the kind of person you are. If you are really unhappy, my contact number is stated above, you could have just texted me and tell me about it. But you wouldn't do that because that defeats the purpose, you want the world to see how great you are? at ranting? ok...

Thanks for the other replies who agreed and expressed your displeasure about my criterias, in a much more subtle and unoffensive manner.

So just to clear up any misconceptions, I have gotten this guitar as a gift and i don't know the actual price of it till i checked with some music store, got a quote of $2180. Reason for selling is so that i can return this money to the giver as i think its too expensive a gift. I have always wanted a lespaul, and coincidentally, this guy wanted to trade his LP for my strat. I was really tempted but then again, thats not the point. The point is i need to return this money.

I've taken it out of the case twice, once to photograph it and another time to play it. Like what yubsesperat said, maybe you wanna test it to check if everything's working fine, sure of course thats possible. I didn't mean to not let you check before you make your purchase. Definitely, if you are genuinely interested and have made up your mind to buy it, this is what i will do:
- Drive down to your place with the guitar
- Let you plug in and play, test and check the guitar condition carefully
- When you are happy with everything, we will deal
- If you think there's a very good reason to not purchase it, let me know i'll be ok with it since its your money.
- If you just decide not to buy it after testing it out, even for no reasons, its still fine. I will just be a little upset because i did not plan on letting some guy who hasn't really made up his mind to take the guitar out of its shell and play it when i, myself avoided doing so just to preserve its mint condition. But ultimately, its still your money and you choose not to buy it, there's nothing wrong. I'm not gonna pressure and force you into buying it.

If there's anymore misunderstanding or something you're extremely unhappy about that urges you to write an essay here, perhaps you can sms or whatsapp me instead and let me know about it. To all the other readers out there, i have no intention of offending any of you. My sole intention is to sell this guitar and return the money to the person who bought it for me because its too expensive as a gift. Once again i'm sorry if i had caused you any discomfort while you were reading my ad.
 
yubsesperat sure rants alot if you check his past posts, he rants so much but is just a lowballer, lowballed me for my Vox Pathfinder 15R by offering a measly $50. Told him off and he had the face to rant back at me. Can't afford to buy gear still want to rant. And check the timing at his post, who will stay up at such an odd timing to type such a long rant essay? Looks like a no lifer.
 
Hi fellow readers. I appreciate what you guys are trying to tell me, especially user yubsesperat.
I have to agree that i may have made a mistake in the description of my guitar.


Well done bro. What a reply. With you on this.

To each his own. If TS is not letting people test and lose potential customers because of it then so be it, it is his loss, not yours. If you really want to try it out, you can request. The most you get is a NO; nothing to lose except a few seconds requesting for it....
 
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Hi fellow readers. I appreciate what you guys are trying to tell me, especially user yubsesperat.
I have to agree that i may have made a mistake in the description of my guitar.

Actually bro justin I kinda understood your posting initially abt no trying but base on my experience, rarely would buyers come over your place and play 50 mins and than back up. It's usually people who enquire enquire and give u a time and date and than (MIA, you know who you are).

Maybe a lesson learnt is to state your requests more carefully bah as we are in Singapore so everything that you pen down does incur a lot of comments.

And oh ya all the best in your sales !
 
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yubsesperat: andy_cy90 deserves more than just saying it’s “your bad”. I believe, you need to apologise for being discourteous. Your la-di-da rant was uncalled for.

andy_cy90: just want to commend you for being the bigger man. Great, well-put reply to an obnoxious post.
 
TS, make sure the set of string on the guitar is new and remind the potential buyer not to get too carried with the pickin hand, dun see how a few hours of combined testing is going to deteriorate a fender in anyway. If it will give problem after playing for a few hours, then the buyer should really consider.
 
yubsesperat sure rants alot if you check his past posts, he rants so much but is just a lowballer, lowballed me for my Vox Pathfinder 15R by offering a measly $50. Told him off and he had the face to rant back at me. Can't afford to buy gear still want to rant. And check the timing at his post, who will stay up at such an odd timing to type such a long rant essay? Looks like a no lifer.

i didnt lowball you. you didnt have a price so i offered what i could afford. you couldve have easily just said nothing or just said no or said your price maybe we couldve arrived at a price both OK for us. but what did you say? you didnt just tell me off. you told me to 'stick it up my ass'. classy thing to say. i didnt rant at your refusal but the manner in which you said it. i asked you nicely if it was possible but you think youre somebody to be condescending like that.

you are so naive to think timing has anything to do with anyone having a life or not. ill leave you to your mindless conclusions.

as for you who disagreed with what i wrote, you have other people to disagree with as well - those who agreed that i was pointing out something important. although i aint here to please you and we all wont always see eye to eye but this is a forum for musicians. if you didnt want anyone criticizing your sale that its anti-musician/newbie, then there is always ebay or other forums who do not care less if you sold crap or a bad sale waiting to transpire. i do not intend to spoil anyone's sale but we have to think and express what we believe should be otherwise we will just be mindless robots, GIGO.

you rant about these while others rant about someone selling something more than what he got it for - which is stupid yet it is openly accepted. if anyone hits the jackpot buying a really cheap quality guitar, you shouldnt expect him to sell it just the same. the price is his prerogative and if he prices it at what its worth, its no one's business but his. but you people here talk about it like its murder. its common sense.

and yet when someone posts something contreversial such as making it a habit of testing stuff before you buy it, you immediately red flag it as foul. again, i did not attack the item. it was the way he wanted to get rid of it.

oh please.
 
I love watching these WWE, no wait.... I meant....




SOFT discussions. :)







Time to whip out the popcorn. *yum*
 
i didnt lowball you. you didnt have a price so i offered what i could afford. you couldve have easily just said nothing or just said no or said your price maybe we couldve arrived at a price both OK for us. but what did you say? you didnt just tell me off. you told me to 'stick it up my ass'. classy thing to say. i didnt rant at your refusal but the manner in which you said it. i asked you nicely if it was possible but you think youre somebody to be condescending like that.

you are so naive to think timing has anything to do with anyone having a life or not. ill leave you to your mindless conclusions.

as for you who disagreed with what i wrote, you have other people to disagree with as well - those who agreed that i was pointing out something important. although i aint here to please you and we all wont always see eye to eye but this is a forum for musicians. if you didnt want anyone criticizing your sale that its anti-musician/newbie, then there is always ebay or other forums who do not care less if you sold crap or a bad sale waiting to transpire. i do not intend to spoil anyone's sale but we have to think and express what we believe should be otherwise we will just be mindless robots, GIGO.

you rant about these while others rant about someone selling something more than what he got it for - which is stupid yet it is openly accepted. if anyone hits the jackpot buying a really cheap quality guitar, you shouldnt expect him to sell it just the same. the price is his prerogative and if he prices it at what its worth, its no one's business but his. but you people here talk about it like its murder. its common sense.

and yet when someone posts something contreversial such as making it a habit of testing stuff before you buy it, you immediately red flag it as foul. again, i did not attack the item. it was the way he wanted to get rid of it.

oh please.

Rant so much also can't hide the fact that you lowball and try to spoil other people's sales. TS sell his guitar here, you complain. HarrisonYeo sell his guitar lower than what he bought it for, you also complain. I think you are just jealous that these sellers own gear that you can't afford, yet they can afford to own them then sell them cos they can afford other better choices. The only people who will support you are either lowballer, thread spoiler, time waster, no lifer, can't afford gear, cheapskate, have nothing better to do, jealous, troublemaker or all of the above, fits your profile. So, what do you do for a living to be able to afford staying up so late everyday? No need to wake up in the mornings to go to work?
 
I agree with you musikal, i almost bought guitar from him..lucky i didn't make that move.. he made so convincing that the guitar he selling me is first hand lol...and the way he text is so desperado and force you to rush and etc..
 
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