worship pedalboard....

[dannywfs]

hi all..

it has been awhile since im back on soft...

having a change in genre of music...

my current rig....
korg pitchblack>> danelectro eq>> boss ds1 beez mod (boost) >> sansamp gt2 (first gen) >>> orange micro terror...

with my current set up im intending to go into worship... so i believe i do need reverbs, delay, comp and volume

i have a proposed rig,
ernieball volume >> pitchblack >> comp(havent think of which pedal) >> fulldrive >> hardwire reverb >> chorus(havent think of which pedal) >> vox time machine...

will it be a decent setup...
decide to use fulldrive as my main drive signal....

just asking for opinions...

 

[Nicholasim]

Hi. Whatever types of drive is really your personal preference. But yes, fulldrive "II" is a pedal that i see a lot on worship boards.

As for delays, more often than not, i see boards with 2 delays. Usually one set for long repeats and the other short repeats. Again, what delay is your preference. It would be a bonus to have presets & tap tempo available though

Lastly, the volume pedal is typically after your drive pedals, not at the beginning of your chain. Reason is that having your pedal before your drive, as you're doing a swell, at the bottom of the curve, it will reduce the signal being sent into the drive pedal. You will still get a volume swell but not as smooth As having the vol pedal after the drive.

 

[dannywfs]

Hi. Whatever types of drive is really your personal preference. But yes, fulldrive "II" is a pedal that i see a lot on worship boards.

As for delays, more often than not, i see boards with 2 delays. Usually one set for long repeats and the other short repeats. Again, what delay is your preference. It would be a bonus to have presets & tap tempo available though

Lastly, the volume pedal is typically after your drive pedals, not at the beginning of your chain. Reason is that having your pedal before your drive, as you're doing a swell, at the bottom of the curve, it will reduce the signal being sent into the drive pedal. You will still get a volume swell but not as smooth As having the vol pedal after the drive.

Hmmm.... yea man...
I agree...
I tried tweaking my gt2 n boss ds1 and now I go a pretty decent od and boost tone... just need the vol reverb n delay....

Was looking at the EB VP 25k as it shows more responsiveness in doing swells but however for for delay what I have In mind is the vox time machine to be so that I have a tap tempo n delay... was thinking to get the dotted 8 with the preseted 500ms switch on the board n tapping...

Reverb will be the tri verb by biyang... personally tested out... quite awesome...

Im also in a tight kinda budget so yea... delay I dont think will come cheap so yeap. Go step by step

 

[Nicholasim]

Give the behringer rv600 a shot. I've been using it for a while now and it sounds great. Very cheap also and does the "shimmer" thing thats usually only found on ridiculously expensie reverb pedals.

 

[fade2b14ck]

I have a pedalboard that I use for P&W. and it’s versatile enough for me to use for other purposes too.
But first to comment on the EB vol pedal. The choice of 25k vs 250k vol pedal depends on where you want to place it.

25k: place after your drives -> acts like a master volume. Gain is consistent

250k: place before your drives -> acts like the volume knob on your guitar, as your roll the pedal forward, you increase volume and gain.

Placing your VP (ie 25k before your drives) incorrectly will not result in a smooth swell.

For me I prefer my VP before my drives. When I do ambient swells with heaps of delay and reverb, it sounds more dynamic transiting from low to higher gain. But in this regard, it’s down to personal preference and whatever works for you. I would also put the pitchblack right in front before the VP. Generally you would want your purest signal hitting the tuner so that you ensure tuning accuracy. And since the pitchblack is true bypass when off, it doesn’t affect the VP (unverified, but it works for me).

Now for my board,

Pitchblack -> EB VP 250k -> Barber Tone Press -> Analogman 1974 Phase 90 -> Timmy -> XTS Atomic OD -> TC Electronic Spark Booster -> Tech 21 British -> Line 6 M9

Generally I feel that for P&W sets, I always require two or more preset delays. At the very least, I have a ‘go to’ delay and another for swells, and a couple more song specific delays. We play about 4-5 songs so one delay was never gonna be enough for me. The m9 works well for me in this regard. In addition, I use the M9 for choruses and verbs too. Great functionality and space saving, perfect for someone on a budget. Then there is the analog vs digital discourse but no point getting into that here. If you look around the forums there is a general consensus that the M9 has quality tones at a good price.

But there are always other varieties like the DD20, Nova delay, Timeline which all have presets.

 

[peter01]

^ that's about right! I prefer my VP before my drives as well. You DEFINITELY need a delay for worship. The M9 has a lot of stuff that are usable like reverb and comp as well. It's a good pedal to have. My only gripe about it is that it 'digitalizes' my tone even if it's not turned on. Okay, I just happened to be a little more particular. It is a good pedal to have nonetheless.

Personally, I use the Diamond Memory Lane Jr as my delay and there is no preset so I usually just tap tempo in between each song. I sold my Timeline because it was rocket science to tweak. Lol. I liked it though. I'm considering adding a Neunaber Mono Echelon as my second delay now so I kinda have a 'preset'.

 

[fade2b14ck]

I can’t stress enough the importance of using presets. I used to tweak my delay pedal between songs and it was crazy. Since using the M9 I just needed to switch delays and tap in the tempo. With that said there are so many delays with preset functions as mentioned in my last post so the OP just needs to choose the one he likes.

@peter01 - I don’t find the M9 digitalizing my tone, but its delay tones definitely can’t compare to the Timeline in terms of clarity. Would love to change to a Timeline though, but I would have to find additional verbs and chorus pedals. Think I would probably take some time to think if the additional investment (plus a bigger board) is worth it.

 

[an2]

if this helps, my humble student-budget board is as follows:

Korg Pitchblack --> Morley Mini Wah/Volume --> Ibanez Tubescreamer copy --> Suhr Riot Copy --> BOSS CE-2 --> MXR Carbon Copy --> TC Electronics Flashback Delay --> BLT Me Boosta

The Carbon Copy is set to a very short delay w/modulation, i love what it does to my sound, so I keep it on almost all the time.

The TC Flashback is set to a slightly longer delay (think 'Sweet Disposition'), on the legendary TC 2290 mode.


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@TS, your pedalboard sounds good, but i'd leave the reverb out if I could. The reverb would sound amazing in your bedroom, overwhelming in many of the church halls. why bother having a "hall reverb" setting on a pedal when you have a natural "hall reverb" in the form of the church itself?

also, do take into consideration that some pedals just don't work well together. I had a MXR Distortion iii that refused to fit anywhere in the pedalboard without making itself sound like a swarm of bees when disengaged.

a piece of advice I gotten from someone is that I should get an excellent boost and drive sounds, that when combined, makes an awesome saturated high gain sound. 3 sounds are better than 2.

 

[peter01]

I can’t stress enough the importance of using presets. I used to tweak my delay pedal between songs and it was crazy. Since using the M9 I just needed to switch delays and tap in the tempo. With that said there are so many delays with preset functions as mentioned in my last post so the OP just needs to choose the one he likes.

@peter01 - I don’t find the M9 digitalizing my tone, but its delay tones definitely can’t compare to the Timeline in terms of clarity. Would love to change to a Timeline though, but I would have to find additional verbs and chorus pedals. Think I would probably take some time to think if the additional investment (plus a bigger board) is worth it.

To each his own. I do think the M9 is a great pedal for the price. The drives just borders on unusable for me. Try plugging your guitar directly into your amp and then through just the M9 and into the amp. See if you hear the difference. Like I said, I'm just being overly particular sometimes.

What you do is exactly what I'm doing on my ML Jr now. I simply tap in the tempo every song. I have to say, I usually have a lead guitarist with me so I do very very simple stuff. If I needed presets, I would go with a second delay because I love the ML Jr that much.

 

[dannywfs]

Hi all....

I guess im set on what i want....

Proposed rig...
korg pitchblack >> bossds1(boost) >> sansamp gt2 (main dist) >> vox time machine (delay with dotted 8) >> redwitch sevensisters violet (normal delay) >> ehx holy grail nano (reverb)

Considering a ernieball 25k vp with a vox wah...
Love to do swells.... strumming octaves with wah....

So much gas

 

[Nicholasim]

Get both a volume and wah pedal on your board ah haha. Or if no space, maybe you can give those 2 in one pedal a shot. I am using a morley volume/wah (2 in 1). Im not crazy over the sweep but the pedal is small and does its job. I know dunlop also has their own version of vol/wah pedal.

 

[joshuanick]

To be honest, i would sell both the delays you're currently using now and get something with presets. (the next best thing would either be the Nova delays, or Flashback/Alter Ego x3). Reason being, presets would save you lots of time changing through songs, and you get to have a preset with a washed out sound for those pad,ambient,swells stuff.
As for Wahs, i dont know much about them, but its good to have one, although its not commonly found in p&w stuff.
Oh and i would revamp your whole drive section too, get 2 ODs instead of a boost and a distortion, you will find that ODs are more usable in every song, rather than full on distortion.

As a guide, you can see my signature regarding what i use for p&w, feel free to ask why i have my pedals this way!

Just my 2 cents, YMMV

Hi all....

I guess im set on what i want....

Proposed rig...
korg pitchblack >> bossds1(boost) >> sansamp gt2 (main dist) >> vox time machine (delay with dotted 8) >> redwitch sevensisters violet (normal delay) >> ehx holy grail nano (reverb)

Considering a ernieball 25k vp with a vox wah...
Love to do swells.... strumming octaves with wah....

So much gas

 

[fade2b14ck]

To be honest, i would sell both the delays you're currently using now and get something with presets. (the next best thing would either be the Nova delays, or Flashback/Alter Ego x3). Reason being, presets would save you lots of time changing through songs, and you get to have a preset with a washed out sound for those pad,ambient,swells stuff.
As for Wahs, i dont know much about them, but its good to have one, although its not commonly found in p&w stuff.
Oh and i would revamp your whole drive section too, get 2 ODs instead of a boost and a distortion, you will find that ODs are more usable in every song, rather than full on distortion.

As a guide, you can see my signature regarding what i use for p&w, feel free to ask why i have my pedals this way!

Just my 2 cents, YMMV

Really pretty much what I said about delay presets in my earlier posts in this thread.

I quote myself,

"Generally I feel that for P&W sets, I always require two or more preset delays. At the very least, I have a ‘go to’ delay and another for swells, and a couple more song specific delays. We play about 4-5 songs so one delay was never gonna be enough for me."

"I can’t stress enough the importance of using presets. I used to tweak my delay pedal between songs and it was crazy."

I guess the OP already had in mind what he wanted for delays. -.-

Agreed about the drives too. Nice chimey cleans from an overdrive as you roll down the vol knob.

But hey looking at his proposed rig, it looks like none of our advice is taken into consideration at all. LOL

But you know, whatever he likes...

 

[dannywfs]

Hi all...

Just an update of my board...

Decide to go with e dd7 as the setting have its pretty sweet... just the turn of the knob from 800ms to others will get what i wan.... dont mind the bending down so yeap...

Ce5.. practically i set it on a balanced tone... now i normally just keep it on all the times... def good pedal...

 

[dyestortion]

Try placing the chorus after the delay. Could be interesting!

 

[superpotato_30]

Hi guys, thought I'd chime in as an active church guitarist:

My setup is as follows:

Area 51 Wah > Script Phase 90 > Barber LTD > Gworx Fatman > Rockett Animal > EP Booster > MXR Carbon Copy > Pitchblack.

Everything so far has served me fine, I usually use my guitar volume knobs for volume swells. I used to use a DD7, but since it died on me, I've left much of the dotted 8th stuff to my other guitarist. The CC on my board is adjusted to a setting that emulates a reverb pedal. So somehow I've managed to survive P&W without a Dotted 8th Tap digital delay and volume pedal.

Although I'm currently saving for a Mission Engineering Volume pedal and a Memory Lane JR.

(I only have 1 PT.JR board and this is it. I use it for non church stuff as well - classic rock/blues rock.)