Why the local scene sucks...

bobby

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...and why you shouldn't be discouraged by it.

In a nation that favours collective conscience over inherent individualism, numerical economical growth over expressive egomaniacs, we are lulled into our routines and conditioned by our parental and governmental conditioning.

This pessimism stems not from rants or uneducated guesses, nor from our tendency to strive for strife but from standing amongst a crowd at a local gig, amongst all too familiar faces in an all too familiar crowd of the same people, going to the same shows, watching the same bands that sound the same as the next one.

Generations of musicians from the past and present have preached of this ‘growth’, this ‘sudden burst’ of local music scene interest. But the numbers reflect the truth, and always have. Dismal sales figures of albums from our so-called upper tier bands that gallantly (and respectedly) parade themselves via our bureaucratic media avenues. Bleak ratings from heroic but ultimately failing attempts on our television screens. Well-meaning independent media endeavours crushed by the sheer might of mainstream media manifestations that masquerade themselves as democratic but in reality are nothing more than hedonistic chin-stroking chimps swinging from the same branches of our country’s totalitarian rulings.

But, if we are being honest, the crux, the core, the epicentre of the problems that plague our local scene comes not only from the general public’s nonchalance, but also the scene’s inner workings and its imaginative limitations.

Band A does this, Band B does the same, Band C sees Bands A and B doing these, and repeats the same notions, just to be on the safe side of success. Bands A, B and C receive modest amounts of support from the same people who attend the same shows who wear the same clothes who watch the same bands who sound the same as the next one. Yet, despite these gripes, these people still belong to a niche. They are a minority, who see themselves as a minority and are fully aware that they are outnumbered. To themselves, they are unique. But in actuality, they too have been infected by our society’s incestuous ability to curb our enthusiasm for expression. And so we get watered-down imitations of imitations that fall into the mentality that it is better to be half-hearted than a has-been, better to not hope for too much for fear of being kicked to the sidewalk by a social order that demands our orderly approach to ‘living a life’, working 9-5s to make ends meet because, otherwise, you are in defiance. And as you know, those who live in defiance to normality will not be equipped to defend themselves.

Still, do not be disheartened.

Why?

Because somewhere out there, a teenager is listening to your tunes, strumming your songs and fitting into his skinny jeans that snugly squeeze his future family jewels. His unborn child of the future will be the future torch bearer of the local scene. Your actions will inspire a future generation. But sadly, if that generation is still contained within the walls of a society that entinguishes the subculture before it embraces it, then we are destined for an endless cycle of delusions of grandeur.

Viva la Singapore. Be hopeful for the best!
 
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the thing is, as i have spoken with a respectable person, most singaporeans say they "support" local bands. but when asked how they "support" these bands, they say they go for their shows. BUT when asked "hey, why not buy their CDs, that way not only you support them by listening to their music, if you like it you can listen to them on the go!" then they scratch their heads and go "maybe next time, no money now lah!"

this is the main problem, people think that by supporting local bands it just means going down to watch them perform. little do they know (or perhaps they choose not to know), most bands actually dont get paid playing gigs, or even have to pay to play gigs, at least in the local scene.

this way, how are they actually "supporting" the band? by being physically there to watch them perform and cheer them on? this is important, but i think perhaps by buying their records its a more practical form of "supporting" the band?

just some of the insights by a friend, and a little bit of mine.
 
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i dun support any band, local or foreign by buying their CDs, if u catch my drift. my biggest support is to pay to see them live.
 
i dun support any band, local or foreign by buying their CDs, if u catch my drift. my biggest support is to pay to see them live.

i hope by saying that, you mean that to you, supporting a band is about watching them live, even if you do buy their CDs.

cos i have friends who proudly say that they are "big fans of XXX band", and when i ask them which albums do they actually own (as in buy, either itunes/amazon/physical CD), they tell me "oh i download everything actually, why buy?" and to me, downloading can hardly be called "support" at all.
 
[=optisailor2002

i dun see the physical act of owning a CD as a form of support. I get to know their songs, i wanna hear them live. whatever money that i dun spend on their cd is spent watching them live. there's an either/or situation here.
 
i dun see the physical act of owning a CD as a form of support. I get to know their songs, i wanna hear them live. whatever money that i dun spend on their cd is spent watching them live. there's an either/or situation here.

But there lies a different problem. Let's split this argument into two parts

Most of the music we always tend to listen in Singapore all comes from overseas, be it America, Britain, Scotland, Finland, etc. Now, let's talk about these international acts. They're famous, they're all over the radio, and they have their CDs sold in stores. That's fine. You want to see them live, in person, in action.

Question I'll like to pose:
To what extent will you see them live?

How many of these acts that you support will come down to Singapore, and how often? When Linkin Park first came down to Singapore, I wanted to go, but had no money as I was only 14 turning 15. When they came down 3 years later to do another gig, it clashed with my A level economics paper. If lets say you were in my shoes, will you sacrifice the time needed to study for your exam to watch them or will you sacrifice the time to watch them to study instead?
And, how often to they actually come down to Singapore? Probably once in a few years, maybe never, maybe even just ONCE. How often to they release a CD? Good bands release it fairly often, maybe one a year or 2 years. Compare to how many times they were tour Singapore.
Then, if you insist on seeing them live, then how often will you fly to other countries to watch them perform live? Not many people will do that, unless they have a lot of money and a lot of free time. Perhaps maybe once, twice, or whenever they so happen to hit the South East Asia area.

You say you support these bands, yet the music files you shamelessly download actually rip off these bands. You're denying them the right to earn a steady income. You're nothing but a thief hiding behind a mask.


Now, my second part will do with the local acts.

These bands that we have in Singapore, most of the time, do not get paid. I'm not sure whether this is an international problem or the organisers in Singapore are just to greedy, but that is the current reality we have. These bands either play for free, if not they pay to even get the platform to perform. Fair enough, we may not have many bands in Singapore that are able to produce these CDs, but as I've mentioned, why are you shamelessly listening to their tracks over your headphones, bleeding these bands of their rightful income?
Even if you do insist on seeing them live, do you realise that you watch them for free? It's because they either play for free or they pay to play. They're paying to preform for us, while we just sit back and do not feel the pinch in our wallets. Why should these bands feel the pinch in their purses if they're entertaining us? We should be paying THEM to entertain us! The only way of doing so, is to buy their CDs, merchandise, etc. At least, in this way, we're helping them to relieve the stress of their bank accounts, and this shows a way to say that we are appreciating their art.
 
haha astaroth ur just weird. Its like ur saying you dont want to buy a dvd or watch a movie but be at the set where they do the acting LIVE. weird but interesting. So how do you get to know a band and enjoy their set when u dont know their songs? Its like going to a show with a blank agenda. If u say you have heard all their songs. how? is it by downloading? or did u go for their jamming sessions?
 
[=theliverevolution

First I have to say, most of what I listen are not available on radio, the only way I can ever know and hear them is through the internet. And I don't judge good or bad bands by the frequency at which their albums are released. There is no relevant line of argument there. My precise point here is this: You want to earn my money, you come straight down to Singapore, I pay for the tickets. If downloading music is such a bad thing, why are NIN so adamant about releasing their own music online?

[=theliverevolution

I have band, we don't pay to play, and I personally do not support any such models of marketing. I don't do it to make money, I only want to play good music, and reach out to people who are willing to listen. I want to make money, I get a day job. How many bands in Singapore can truely talk about having a band and it being able to support them? Sure, I would buy their CDs, I would buy their merchandise, but even if I do not own any it doesn't make me less of a supporter. Out of so many bands I support, where do I find the resources to own every single thing they come out with? Does it mean I should only support one band, if that were my limit?
 
[=panz3rr

No I go to the gigs and listen. And you're right, I do not know a single song when I attend the gigs. Thats how I got to know so many good bands, like Nafrat, Xanadoo, Helmskey, TFK and such. I haven heard a single song by them till I've been to their gigs. Would be checking you guys out soon too.
 
Wonderful post by the original poster, Mr Bobby.

Let's not get bogged down by the debate on "illegal downloads versus paying for the CDs". If piracy were the cause for our lethargic music scene, then other countries should suffer equally, maybe to a different extent. If you form a band, play in gigs, and hope that those who show up to give support has the moral obligation to buy your CD as well, then I feel maybe that is stretching the support a bit too far. I mean, if your stuff is good, the money will come naturally. You don't demand that people pay you.

As for why Singapore is still such a rubbish dump as far as the music scene is concerned....well, hope myspace can change that and increase the exposure...
 
*slaps forehead and sighs*

And I don't judge good or bad bands by the frequency at which their albums are released. There is no relevant line of argument there.

I'm not even arguing that. What I'm saying, is that these bands will probably release a few CDs before they even come down to Singapore. I'm talking about famous bands, those that people already know and love or hate.

You want to earn my money, you come straight down to Singapore, I pay for the tickets.

Yes, but as said above, how often do they come?
I'm still waiting for Anberlin to reappear here after 2 years

If downloading music is such a bad thing, why are NIN so adamant about releasing their own music online?

Well, that's NIN. If they choose to release their music online, so be it. What we're talking about is the illegal downloads, where people download off torrent sites for free, and not downloads from iTunes or Soundbuzz.

This argument, will be shelved for a later time and date

I have band, we don't pay to play, and I personally do not support any such models of marketing. I don't do it to make money, I only want to play good music, and reach out to people who are willing to listen.

Yes, but what about other bands? If you don't support it, then that's fine. But other bands use every oppotunity to get themselves known

Even if they have to pay to play

How many bands in Singapore can truely talk about having a band and it being able to support them?

Well, in Singapore you wouldn't find many, but what about those overseas?


Sure, I would buy their CDs, I would buy their merchandise, but even if I do not own any it doesn't make me less of a supporter. Out of so many bands I support, where do I find the resources to own every single thing they come out with? Does it mean I should only support one band, if that were my limit?

As I've said, that's why we buy the CDs. To firstly entertain our ears, and at the same time thank these bands for entertaining us by having the basic courtesy to pay for their music. Merchandise is solely up to you to decide; I don't buy merchandise.

However, you earlier said:
i dun support any band, local or foreign by buying their CDs, if u catch my drift. my biggest support is to pay to see them live.

Which brings about the whole contradiction in your line of reasoning
 
Life was great when the British governed the country.Till independence,life turn to a rountine.This affected the tradition on our local scene.Being brainwashed by daily life.Our scene is still very young and maturing.Maybe it takes to blossom or make people realise that support is about helping the bands financially.
 
There is no contradiction. Neither do I want to dispute this anymore because this would merely be a situation where we can only agree to disagree. I only want to see more people come down for local gigs. Suspend your disbelief and cynicism about the local scene and take a look around.
 
First I have to say, most of what I listen are not available on radio, the only way I can ever know and hear them is through the internet. And I don't judge good or bad bands by the frequency at which their albums are released. There is no relevant line of argument there. My precise point here is this: You want to earn my money, you come straight down to Singapore, I pay for the tickets. If downloading music is such a bad thing, why are NIN so adamant about releasing their own music online?

im assuming that you are a supporter of illegal downloads then.

im not denying that most people download stuff from bands with albums that are hard to find from time to time, but dont you think that if a band puts in effort to come up with stuff that a listener thinks is good, shouldnt he/she at least pay the band for their effort? instead of simply torrenting them and downloading it illegally?

i dont understand how one can claim to be a fan of a band if he/she just downloads their albums illegally off the internet (to me its considered stealing). i am guilty of downloading some albums from time to time, and if i do like the band, i head down to inokii to check the availability or to order the CDs (as much as my wallet allows me to). and if i dont like what i hear, i simply delete it.

perhaps, in this case, we have to define what we mean by support. by being physically there when a band performs? or financially through the purchase of CDs/merch of the bands that we like?

to me, supporting a band means buying the CDs AND going down to catch a band perform if they happen to be performing at a convenient location. (for me, at the moment its just local bands and trying to attend gigs) maybe to you its just about being physically there to watch the band perform live, and owning their stuff is only secondary.
 
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Play a local track, ignorant fool listens. Says "Wow that's nice! What band?". Kind friend answers "It's a new local band, cool right". Ignorant fool goes "Aiyah, local arh? Sound like Metallica sia". When in actual fact, the ignorant fool only listened to Metallica once and wanks to Rihanna's music and Lady GaGa's processed vocals each night.

Argue what you want with me...but that's what the reaction I usually get when I introduce good local bands with people I know.

Most musicians in Singapore can only count on support from other musicians...and that's very small scale. VERY small.

ædit: And guise, stop arguing about downloading be good or not, it depends on the musician who made it. If the musician placed a price on their CD, then you should pay for it if you're a fan. It's not up to you to decide that you're the biggest fan cause you listen to them for the music. The only other reason you should download is when you really can't get the music. When there is a price for the CD, that means the artist want at least a certain amount of support to keep providing music. If the album is made free, then that's when you should download. It really isn't up to you.

I know, bla bla bla record companies take most of the revenue from album sales and bands get alot more from live shows, but it's the amount of albums that SELL that makes bands POPULAR enough to play big shows and get international recognition. No album sold = bands not good enough = smaller crowds cause record companies don't want to market the bands = no show.
 
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i think the main problem with the local scene is people can spend 3 or 4 paragraphs pinpointing exactly what they think is wrong with the scene, yet only spend half a paragraph trying to encourage and drum up hope and express their support for it.

Viva la singapore indeed!
 
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