Timing Issue - Over-dependence on metronome?

Bor

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Hi all,

Has anyone of you ever encountered a problem where you feel that you're over-dependent on a metronome? I've been making it a point to play EVERYTHING from grooves to solos with a metronome click in order to strengthen my timing.

However, I find that without the help of a metronome, I do occasionally go off time (usually speed up) when playing to tracks on my CDs or MP3s.

Whenever there is music in the background (such as bass or piano vamps) for me to groove or solo over, there is usually no problem with my timing, as I'd usually be pretty accurate. However, during portions where there is trading 4s or 8s (i use minus drums tracks), there is no music nor click in the background to act as a guide anymore, and that is when I do not always come back into the groove on time with the music after the 4 or 8 bars of solo.

Is there any way to redress this seeming over-dependence on a metronome and to develop your own inner metronome? My teacher Jimmy Lee tells me that whenever he plays there's always an internal timeclock that helps him keep timing. And he's always dead on the dot with his time, even when he syncopates his solos like crazy.

Also does anyone experience problems keeping time when switching from an electronic to acoustic drumset? My drumset at home is an acoustic set but its all muffled up (I use the sound-off mats and silent skins) which gives it more of an electronic drumset feel. I've found that when I switch to an acoustic set, I find the feel rather awkward and the volume almost unbearable sometimes :oops: and hence I tend to lose my sense of time. Anyone else had this problem too? Thanks for any tips that anyone has to share to redress the above its much appreciated.
 
ur teacher jimy leeeeee, hahhaa
i reckon ur internal clock is still kinda not there. mine isn't up to standard as well.
no short cuts really u just need to play with the click more. set it too 16th notes are play from there. then take it away to a quater note pulse. then just play with the blinking lights. look away, look back after 4 bars and if ur still on it ur pretty much gd as gold mate.
 
How long have you been working seriously with a metronome? Maybe you need more time? I remember I only got comfortable after 2-3 yrs of serious metronome practice. Like blurred said....practice all straight grooves with 16th note subdivisions and swung grooves to triplet sub-divisions. Practice counting along to the metronome when playing too.

I know what jimmy meant by him having an inner clock....its all hardwork...it'll only come after years of practice with the machine....
 
I do this. Put on a metronome. play any rudiments. then go away from the metronme for loo or toilet or something and come back to the metronome and see whether I'm on the spot. On my way there la.

Sometimes when I'm on a jog or run I do some counting too.
I'm looking for this Casio pacer watch. There's a time keeper (pacer in it) a portable metronome. I used to have it 10 years ago. It's designed for running though.
maybe Mustaffa ctr has it

I try to count too whenever I listen to music anywhere even when driving. Counting is good.

:smt023
 
I use the Metronome only - When I do my practice (Rudiments & Rythmn Patterns)...When I jam with my Band or a CD Track - I don't use it but listen to my other bandmates, observing them as I drum.....

I was unable to do the Trade 4/8 thing, till I took lesson recently from Alvin who taught me how to "Count it inside my head - not using the 2 & 4 of Hi-Hat as I did in Jazz to keep-count)......It works and I really have no problem doing that now...my band is really happy with me - as I will never overdo a fill (as in 4bar or 8 bar) and I'm consistent now...it's knowing the way/techniques and listening to other players and understanding their body language and style.

My Weakness: - Is after being able to do that - I keep on filling in (4 and 8 ) hahaha :lol: (bad bad)..overplaying mah..but I practice like that with my band - - luckily they understand I'm practicing - that's how I improve lol.

PS: - ADMIRABLE - how you really use the Metronome in doing everything - I really wish I am as disclipine as you (but I'm not) - you will be great next time - in keeping time....

PS; - another thing - you know I've been jamming with a few band previously (as I am a new drummer - I count with my mouth when I play - my mouth moves) so my bandmates always tell me (dont count dont count - you are counting)...I guess they dont like to see me counting...(so now even if I count it at times if I need to do counting - inside my head).

Happy Drumming.
 

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