ionian scale

[linde_muse]

hey guys out there, other then soloing on the pentatonic scale, do u all guys use the ionian scale. i read sth abt it recently n it seems rather complicated. any insights?

 

[satch]

ionian = major

 

[DoubleBlade]

i advise to you is to build up on your foundation on the major , minor and minor pentatonic scales first in terms of your technic and you should able to recognised the different scale patterns before going into more advance stuff like ionian scales etc...

 

[DoubleBlade]

ionian = major

huh really ah? i tot ionian is a mode?

 

[linde_muse]

yeah cos i tot my pentatonic quite ok la... sheesh... but not that pro also cos my improvisation sux anyway... frm my understanding

ionian= 1st degree of scale
dorian = 2nd degree
phyrgian = 3rd degree
lydian
mixolydian
aeloian
locrian = 7th degree

so like u can apply for all major scales right... wad abt minor scales ah... n its like wad exactly is the use of it... i mean like for pentatonic we noe is like dam useful for improvisation...

 

[satch]

ionoian is another word for major. its the major scale.

modes, are jst terms used forthe different types of notes.

A dorian would also mean G major.

on an Am track, if will sound very minorish.

 

[DoubleBlade]

all that i know that ionian , dorian , phyrgian etc all belong to MODES which is something like a modification to a scale....

yup u can apply different kinds of modes to the major scale as these modes are grouped according to how they sound like as different type of modes give u different kinds of sound.I'm not sure which mode produces what kinds of sounds as just by looking at their names really freaks me out.... :lol:

haha...i'm also a newbie in this...so u gotta mind me... :lol:

 

[satch]

i dunno hw to explain this kinda stuff

jst that, ionian is major and for the rest, its the same scale jst start on diff note.

 

[DoubleBlade]

satch from what i was being taught (very vaguely) , each mode has it's own pattern ( u know the tone tone semitone method thingy in identifying notes involved in a scale)...

yeah modes are terms used for different degrees of a scale but i think there's more to this than just identifying degrees of a scale...

 

[DoubleBlade]

wad abt minor scales ah... n its like wad exactly is the use of it... i mean like for pentatonic we noe is like dam useful for improvisation...

u listen to Yngwie Malmsteen music? his music are influenced by the Minor Harmonic Scale with an addition of a few modes....

if u listen to his music , u will notice that his music sounds very "melodic" and "wavey" in a sense...

anyways a minor scale produces an entirely different kind of sound from the major scale.what i like about the minor scale is that they produce creepy sounds and it also sounds a bit Arabic...

basically a major scale produces "happy" sounds while a minor scale produces "sad" sounds....

hence minor chords are used to give that sad and haunting sound....

 

[linde_muse]

erhh wad i learnt is like this la. i actually get to noe this thingie through jazz music. from what i understand ah, though not sure is correct

c ionian (1st degree) : c d e f g a b c
dorian on d in the key of c major means: d e f g a b c d

its diff frm g major in that sense that it is the 2nd degree scale of c major. so the key is essentially still c major, and although it starts from d, it actually lack the f# and c# that d major have. erhh am i right???

pros help a bit to explain leh... me very muddle headed 1

 

[BlackMoo]

Any ideas where more info or examples of these kinda scale may be found? Perhaps in a song or a web page?

 

[satch]

yea, each has their own pattern, but they all derive from the same ionian scale, then dorian, the root note moves one note up, so its the same shape, bt, the root notes are all different now.

thats hw i see modes. bt only mode i use is the dorian one.

i dunno the rest, bt i believe this is hw modes work out.

 

[satch]

songs? modes can be found almost everywhere,
malmsteen uses harmonic minor which would be the aeolian mode and also phrigian, all these are minor sounding shit.

PG uses dorian quite a lot.

and vai uses lots of lydian. one song would be liberty. go check it out.

 

[satch]

sad thing is, i read up on all these things, and i can nv ever use them when i solo......

i only can use minor penta and dorian.....

man....... im such a loser................

 

[DoubleBlade]

erhh wad i learnt is like this la. i actually get to noe this thingie through jazz music. from what i understand ah, though not sure is correct

yeah i think u roughly have the hang of it...

dun worry modes can be a bit confusing and to understand it , u need to learn ur scales first , not just the scale patterns but the notes involved in the scale as well....

that's where ur music theory comes in handy...

 

[linde_muse]

yeah haha.. i tried learning, but u c ah got 7 modes, so 7 shapes quiet irritating... so is like must c if ionian scales are powerful a nt. if like nt as powerful as pentatonic, then laern something else first... correct?

haha.. satch at least u can solo la... for me my soloing sux.. even my dog don want to listen lo... lol

 

[DoubleBlade]

well basically the scale you're playing is like your fried hokkien mee , u add lime which are modes to enhance the flavour of your hokkien mee...
and if that has no kick , you could squeeze an entirely lemon into your hokkien mee to make it even more "tastier" but it all depends on your taste...some like it sour and some like it even sourier!!!! 8)

just trying to simplify things here....

 

[satch]

eh..... dont say liddat lah.

dog music and our music different. haha.

bt for ur question, u dont have to learn all 7 modes what, jst see what kinda sound u like.

u wanna sound like malmsteen, learn aeolian, learn prhigian.

like vai, learn lydian, mxylonian

like satch..........stick to penta.


hahahahaha

 

[DoubleBlade]

hmmm do modes still apply to pentatonic scales? since they are only 5 scales in the pentatonic scale , does that mean that there are only 5 modes are only involved????

to do that , you would first need to find out the notes involved in the pentatonic scale and the pattern as well (1st, 3th ,5th ,6th,7th etc)