i need your help guys!!! im confused

[RizzyAtelier]

hey guys i really need your help...recently i bought a dean ml Dimebag signature and a danelecto cool cat metal tone and a dean 10 watt amp... Ive been fiddling around but i cant get the metal tone at all i i get is like those rock tone but not metal...

please guys any advice? is it my amp cause the wattage is too low?

 

[sharp__edge]

ok. i don't want to discourage you or anything, but the amp's wattage is too low to run that distortion/overdrive pedals.

take the pedal away. just play the amp itself. you're more likely the get a metal tone that way.





edit: and alot of people will immediately proceed to say "OMGZZXZX SeLL ThAt AMp WuT YuO DoIn PLaYIn 10 WaTt LAWLZZZ". but seriously, stick with the 10 watt amp first. get your best out of that amp, then buy a new amp.

if you start the bad habit of changing gear early in your music life, you will start losing shit loads of money, get distracted very easily, and the habit will be very hard to kick

very bad habit. so, stick with the amp first. spend a few months living with it, you will learn to appreciate your tone that way.

 

[loldude333]

I think it has got more to do with the amp's speaker cone, amp combos of that wattage usually have either a 6.5in or 8in speaker cone, and the bass response of cones of that size is terrible. Nothing to do with the wattage of the amp i think. By metal tone i'm assuming you're referring to the bass-heavy chugga chugga. My guess is that you find close to zero bass response and overtly shrill treble response. Alternatively, it MIGHT be your pickups, although i don't think that is the case, since it is Dimebag's signature guitar after all, the stock pickups should be high output models.

 

[Jumpin'Jellybean]

Try maxing the onboard distortion, and more bass on the settings?
If it's not heavy enough, try the onboard distortion with your pedal.

 

[lazy3yed]

ok. i don't want to discourage you or anything, but the amp's wattage is too low to run that distortion/overdrive pedals.

Care to explain why?

 

[funktastic]

have you tried messing with the eq?
i recalled during my early days, all i had was a crappy yamaha amp and a boss metal pedal. (can't recall the model)
but at first i was wondering why i couldn't get the metal sound, after tweaking with the pedal and amp's eq, i got what i was looking for.
IF i remember correctly, i think its maxing the treble and bass, zero mids.

 

[loldude333]

Hmmm i believe you're right funktastic, but let's let the TS tell us exactly what the problem is. IMHO maxing out the bass on an amp with an 8in speaker cone isn't gonna make much difference. But yes, playing with the EQ does help push you in the right direction.

 

[sharp__edge]

Care to explain why?

it's not exactly the wattage. the problem lies with solid state practice amps of that wattage.

like already stated by loldude333, they usually use speakers that are 6.5 inches or lesser. unlike 12 inch or 10 inch speakers, they do not have a very strong bass response and instead, give you the kind of treble you would associate with old radios playing songs from radio station signals.

but i've already stated that i don't want to discourage him by telling him he has useless gear. he doesn't have useless gear. his gear is fine for practice.

 

[RizzyAtelier]

hey man thanks for the advice, i tried to just play my guitar with the amp by itself it sounded much better but when i turn on my pedal the distortion is too much and my amp cant handle it loads of noise man....

 

[RizzyAtelier]

hey guy i tried messing with the amp and my pedal setting it went well managed to discover new sounds but overall all i only managed to get something like the black sabbath type of sound...i was thinking of getting a new amp, i was thinking of getting line 6 spider 4 15watt amp, is it going to be the same like my old amp? will there be a different?

 

[sharp__edge]

the spider 4 series will be an improvement over your current amp. there will be a lot more sounds. alot more effects. you might even start off completely confused by all the onboard features.


other nice practice amps in the league of the Spider 4 15watt include
1) Marshall MG15CD
2) Roland Cube 15X

The world of guitar amplification is huge. The two amps i mentioned above are a good way to start out. Best to buy an amp second hand, so you can sell it at roughly the same price once you're done with it. And its much cheaper too.


what exactly is your budget?

 

[loldude333]

So i guess your problem was the excess noise?

To be honest, if you want to switch amps, i'd strongly suggest upgrading to one with a 12' speaker cone. The models you mention, while they do sound better, probably still won't provide the bass response you want. Tonewise there will be a difference but it won't be THAT much. I suggest you save up your money and invest in a bigger amp next, the Dean is more than good enough for now.

 

[funktastic]

if its a lotttttttttt of noise, probably you amp is inadequate to handle the distortion.
OR it could be a grounding issue, is you amp a 2 or 3 pin plug?

 

[Kyokkai]

Lols...amps a prob, but ur pedals a prob too. Are you using metal zone 1 or 2? Cos metal zone 1 won't give you the very metal sound, only metal zone 2 will give you heavy metal tone....I'm using the metal zone 2 right now and it gives me the heavy metal tone...its a nice pedal. For ur amp, get some tube or worthy amp. Heard tt there's one at sv guitars peninsula branch. The brand is joyo, its 15 watts, tube amp but dunno model no. Price is 200 plus(pls dun judge quality by price...bad thing to do). Tts wad mike told me when I asked bout tube amps his shop is sellin'. he said its good and worth the price. Can go test it out.

 

[lemonade93]

...The brand is joyo, its 15 watts, tube amp but dunno model no. Price is 200 plus(pls dun judge quality by price...bad thing to do). Tts wad mike told me when I asked bout tube amps his shop is sellin'. he said its good and worth the price. Can go test it out.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't Joyo the brand of PEDALS? Besides, there aren't any Joyo amps on SV's online store :/ Again, correct me if i'm wrong

http://standardvalue.com.sg/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=2

 

[Kyokkai]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't Joyo the brand of PEDALS? Besides, there aren't any Joyo amps on SV's online store :/ Again, correct me if i'm wrong

http://standardvalue.com.sg/store/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=2

Joyo have amps. I just went down to the sv peninsula branch today and had a look at the joyo 15 watt tube amp I was talking about. It looks great to me but still haven't try yet so cant judge by looks. Though, I've heard alot of good comments about the amp. The online store doesn't show the joyo amp, you'll have to give them a call or go down to the store personally to have a look. Just for ur info, the woodlands branch doesn't have tt amp, so dun waste ur time and go down there to find nth you want. The penin branch has it, I just saw it today. I asked the salesman bout the size of the speaker/driver(in terms of inches) but he said he was not sure. Think you gonna have to ask mike urself. Gd luck!!!

 

[keithC]

hey threadstarter i'll help you out a bit with the "singapore industry standard low wattage bedroom tube amps".
bear in mind low wattage tube amps are still loud, not like low wattage solid states that come with 6.5 inch mini speakers.

1. ibanez valbee (great cleans, average distortion)
2. Blackheart bh5 (average cleans, rich greasy distortion)
3. Blackstar (cant remember the model name. pretty brutal metal distortion, which should be what you're looking for)
4. vox ac4tv (great cleans, best clean amp amongst these 4 to run ur pedals into)

alright thats about all... i think marshall has some new series but oh well yet to be checked up. do A/B the joyo amp with these 4 as well.

for solidstates, certain amp brands WITH THE RIGHT 12' SPEAKERS seriously pack some punch with their distortions. i only know a few, the Peavy bandit 112 or 212, and the sound drive. nothing smaller than the one with 12' inch speakers. marshall MG30 and higher wattages may have decent distortion sounds as well.

my 2000cents, this takes a lot out of me

 

[keithC]

it's not exactly the wattage. the problem lies with solid state practice amps of that wattage.

like already stated by loldude333, they usually use speakers that are 6.5 inches or lesser. unlike 12 inch or 10 inch speakers, they do not have a very strong bass response and instead, give you the kind of treble you would associate with old radios playing songs from radio station signals.

but i've already stated that i don't want to discourage him by telling him he has useless gear. he doesn't have useless gear. his gear is fine for practice.

now allow me to give my 1cent on this.
amps are the heart of guitar tone. it is very important to own a decent one. With a crappy cheap sounding amp,

no.1 playing dynamics is reduced. with little or no control of expression of your sound, how far can you go as a player?

no.2 doesnt feel good. a "feel good" factor is a must. if you are happy with your small amp while ur friends are having a blast with their mega sounding amps, fine man. but feeling good about your gear and sound will inspire you to keep practicing.

no.3 you dont learn a thing about tone. one small amp gives you one bad sound, period. with this limited knowledge, how will you sound during your first gig then? dont think just because the gig's amps are huge, you will sound good no matter what. i've heard noisy bands countless times that are really tight. but noisy nonetheless. piercing guitars that sound like glass smashing..

no.4 after listening to so many people talk about nice amps, and this comment aiding you, you will eventually get a better amp. there's no compromise here, there is a certain standard to which your gear will be "fine for practice". anything below that will hinder your practicing. so to threadstarter, get something decent and stay with it, getting a decent amp will definitely not lead you down the road of gear changing if you know your finances. in fact, it opens up another world of guitar playing and you'll realise many more things about your guitar and your fingers.

 

[loldude333]

keithC, the 3rd Blackstar you're referring to is the Blackstar HT-5 i believe? If it is, you'll need a cab to go along with it, i think its just a head, not a combo.

 

[keithC]

there's a combo version... maybe its not the ht-5?