double paddling
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DullTheater
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practice practice practice,....
no short cut to it....
anlso, techniques.. and also your pedals setting counts in too.....
no short cut to it....
anlso, techniques.. and also your pedals setting counts in too.....
alvinthedrummer
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Beg Alfe for a workshop on double pedal playing lah!! He has got some SERIOUS double pedal chops man....
firstly i think that practicing double peddaling at a speed of 80bpm (16th notes) is actually not as productive as playing it maybe at 120bpm (16th notes)
i remember during the last exchange i was sitting at the kit, alfe asked which speed is best to start of with.
he made an example by getting me to demonstrate a 80bpm, 100bpm, and 120pm 16th note phrase.
Seriously there and then i didn't actually catch any difference in the way i felt i was playing.
until i went home.
I started playing around, did some research.
Its true that at a speed like probably 60-100bpm ( any slower you can use a single pedal for it "heheheh" ) you feel like you're taking a walk. 1 foot at a time, there would be a point in time where both feet are at rest.
from 120-180 bpm, it'll be like jogging, a set of different muscles are used, and a momentum is in place.
from 180-200bpm, you're running (IMO). the same muscles are used but, you use a different technique from 120-180. you use a lot more momentum and you're using a bit of your hips now.
from 200-2xx bpm, this for me is like sprinting... Personally if you put me in a situation that i have to play that speed... i'll probably hold straight for like 4 bars and i'll fall into pieces and bury myself in a grave right beside the kit.
but when i do... i just go into a super psyched state of mind and my muscles go into a spasm... hahahahaha.
but i'm practicing. one day i hope i'll reach my 240 bpm dream.
i remember during the last exchange i was sitting at the kit, alfe asked which speed is best to start of with.
he made an example by getting me to demonstrate a 80bpm, 100bpm, and 120pm 16th note phrase.
Seriously there and then i didn't actually catch any difference in the way i felt i was playing.
until i went home.
I started playing around, did some research.
Its true that at a speed like probably 60-100bpm ( any slower you can use a single pedal for it "heheheh" ) you feel like you're taking a walk. 1 foot at a time, there would be a point in time where both feet are at rest.
from 120-180 bpm, it'll be like jogging, a set of different muscles are used, and a momentum is in place.
from 180-200bpm, you're running (IMO). the same muscles are used but, you use a different technique from 120-180. you use a lot more momentum and you're using a bit of your hips now.
from 200-2xx bpm, this for me is like sprinting... Personally if you put me in a situation that i have to play that speed... i'll probably hold straight for like 4 bars and i'll fall into pieces and bury myself in a grave right beside the kit.
but when i do... i just go into a super psyched state of mind and my muscles go into a spasm... hahahahaha.
but i'm practicing. one day i hope i'll reach my 240 bpm dream.
ceing
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Yes I agree with myner that 80 is really slow and using a different muscle than playin 120. But for my case i cant really catch de momentum when i start with 120 (my legs are really retarded LOL) so i started out real slow, using my tigh muscles to control my raising of my foot's ups and downs. Until I was comfortable with the momentum than i increased the tempo. If u can catch de momentum and maintain a constant beat on de BD at 120, then tts where u shld start.
Cheers!
Cheers!
plainsman
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myner... great tips and personal experience for 120bpm onwards..
just to add and for the benefit of softies, i've often asked drummers what speed they practice at cos i've been searching for answers myself.
its a occupational hazard being an educator, u would like to ask every single drummer out there the same question so you get a really wide frequency sample.
one of the things i try to always do when playing a groove, is to get a "pocket".
this means, when im in the pocket, it doesnt take me much effort for the notes to fall in place perfectly.
now, for funk, blues and the like.. finding pocket is pretty common.
thing is, for rock, metal, pocket is also possible.
for very slow, double pedal grooves. getting the pocket is difficult. to quote myner's experience, at faster speeds one can "jog", but at slow speeds.. it becomes quite difficult and often uneven.
what i shared at the last xchange was, at certain intervals of bpm speeds, there is a sweet spot and combination of technique/muscles/joints that works perfectly for it.
so.. to practice double pedal slowly (<80bpm) is no indication that you can play it stably faster later on.
hence, my advice to practice say, at intervals of say, 10bpm increments from 80-200.
every interval has that perfect combination. find it and you should easily achieve that "pocket" to play without much effort.
cheers
just to add and for the benefit of softies, i've often asked drummers what speed they practice at cos i've been searching for answers myself.
its a occupational hazard being an educator, u would like to ask every single drummer out there the same question so you get a really wide frequency sample.
one of the things i try to always do when playing a groove, is to get a "pocket".
this means, when im in the pocket, it doesnt take me much effort for the notes to fall in place perfectly.
now, for funk, blues and the like.. finding pocket is pretty common.
thing is, for rock, metal, pocket is also possible.
for very slow, double pedal grooves. getting the pocket is difficult. to quote myner's experience, at faster speeds one can "jog", but at slow speeds.. it becomes quite difficult and often uneven.
what i shared at the last xchange was, at certain intervals of bpm speeds, there is a sweet spot and combination of technique/muscles/joints that works perfectly for it.
so.. to practice double pedal slowly (<80bpm) is no indication that you can play it stably faster later on.
hence, my advice to practice say, at intervals of say, 10bpm increments from 80-200.
every interval has that perfect combination. find it and you should easily achieve that "pocket" to play without much effort.
cheers
smildrumez
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wooooooo.....240 sei!!!
chrisxtremes
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I can't even handle single paddle to the max yet. Much more work for me to reach double. Is a good thing to know though before starting. So next time I will be at the right track.
Cheers
Cheers
chud
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to the threadstarter,
are you playing in a metalcore band? cause only kids ask those questions.
those bands you mentioned doesnt have amateur drummers in the band. the drummers took years of playing to get to where they are. no shortcuts about it.
and drumming isnt always about speed. its about grooving. if the groove and energy is "heavy", people will still be banging their heads to the music even if its just a 4/4 rock beat.
are you playing in a metalcore band? cause only kids ask those questions.
those bands you mentioned doesnt have amateur drummers in the band. the drummers took years of playing to get to where they are. no shortcuts about it.
and drumming isnt always about speed. its about grooving. if the groove and energy is "heavy", people will still be banging their heads to the music even if its just a 4/4 rock beat.
gutturalpiss
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Practice will never help if you never get the fundamentals right. First of all, learn to apply different techniques at different speeds. From around 160BPM 16th you should start using flatfoot already (remember, foot no more than 3/4 of the pedalboard), whereas on the slower rates the advantage will slowly decrease. Above all, get a good throne height - the angle of your arm shouldn't be less than 80 degrees upon snare drum contact.
240 would be killer. 220 is already a tough challenge, and I know of only Yanic Bercier who can pull it off like forever in one sitting..with a pair of standard Yamaha kickers.
240 would be killer. 220 is already a tough challenge, and I know of only Yanic Bercier who can pull it off like forever in one sitting..with a pair of standard Yamaha kickers.
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