D.I.Y gig in school.. need advice..

evodia

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My group is doing a project, and we decided to host a gig in our school together with a theme..

my question is..

1. shld we make it into a competition? or just a normal gig with theme..

2. shld it be open for all genre or just for rock genre?

3. where is the cheapest rental studio ( due to our tight budget )

4.Hw many watts shld we rent for guitar amps for school hall..?

5.since we are gonna fork out our own money for all this.. hw are we gonna earn back or with profit..? selling tix like DXO?.. if selling tix.. hw much per person?

6. wads the minimum and maximum band or contestant shld enter..?

7. shld we provide the gears, or they shld bring their own..?

8. if it is for a normal gig with theme.. shld the performer gets anything..? if yes.. wad shld we give them for performing?

9. If it is a competition, wad are the prizes that we shld set for 1st,2nd and 3rd place..

10. Hw do we attact our students to join, if its a competition, they will go for the prize.. but if for a normal gig, hw do we attract them?

11. hw much do u think to get all this setup? excluding mics and speakers..



thx for reading and i hope u may all share ur ideas and opinion..:cool:

rock on.. \m/
 
Hmm... dude... some stuff you've gotta consider first.

First, you should consider wherther people would pay to buy tickets to watch the gig. Put everything aside and think of that before renting everything and stuff.

Do go find out about the bands in your school. If there are like only afew, or like can't play(no offense), I guess the students won't pay to watch.

For equipment rentals, the expenses is something you've gotta consider. Count if the potential amount of tickets sellable is enough to cover back your rental costs.(or at least most of it)
Try Mikemann. For how many watts, don't worry, go consult the studio you're renting from.

Make a deal. For those bands with no instruments, let them pay a small amount to use some rented instruments.

I don't think tickets can sell at too expensive. Depends on how many people would buy them.
 
1. shld we make it into a competition? or just a normal gig with theme..
Normal gig sounds better. Send the bands through auditions first though.. You don't want a sucky band to be playing do you?

2. shld it be open for all genre or just for rock genre?
Open genre but to a certain extend.

3. where is the cheapest rental studio ( due to our tight budget )
Rental studio meaning cheap rental etc? Or for rehersals?

4.Hw many watts shld we rent for guitar amps for school hall..?
Depending on the size of your school hall. I once used roland cube 15 for my school gig.

5.since we are gonna fork out our own money for all this.. hw are we gonna earn back or with profit..? selling tix like DXO?.. if selling tix.. hw much per person?
Think about it this way, if you mark up the price, no one would come and you won't earn back your capital. If it's cheaper, more people will come and probably cover the capital and maybe make profits too.

6. wads the minimum and maximum band or contestant shld enter..?
How long are you given?

7. shld we provide the gears, or they shld bring their own..?
Gear meaning guitars, basses and pedals? Bring their own. But amps, rent la.

8. if it is for a normal gig with theme.. shld the performer gets anything..? if yes.. wad shld we give them for performing?
Uh flowers?

9. If it is a competition, wad are the prizes that we shld set for 1st,2nd and 3rd place..
Ask popular to sponsor cash vouchers or something. Typical school prizes.

10. Hw do we attact our students to join, if its a competition, they will go for the prize.. but if for a normal gig, hw do we attract them?
"Be an instant rockstar now!" To begin with, are there musicians in your school? If there are at least maybe 10 bands in your school, then that's something to consider. If there are only 3 bands and you're given the whole day for this event, wouldn't it be kinda a waste?

11. hw much do u think to get all this setup? excluding mics and speakers..
Different studios quote you accordingly depending on what you need. Try writing in a proposal to your principal to pay or hold fund raising stuff.
 
To kerplunk 182,

1. where to audition?

3. cheap rental

4. 15 watts shld be enough?

5. $2 per tix?

6.Not sure.. ard 4-6 hrs? hw long shld they be given to do sound test after each band?

7. ok, hw about those who wants to perform but no gear??

8. i think they prefer smthing more than flowers.. =)p

9. lol, i dun think popular wants to do that for us

10. well, i think there are a quite number of them are musicians.. its just that hw do u attract them?

11. lol, the principle would just give some lame excuse for not helping us..


anyway thx..
 
k i think this might help..
okay last year i had 3 gigs covering songs in school.. lunchtime concert thingy.. we didnt spend a single cent except for jamming.. we used our own amps, which is 2x 15watts marshall cheap amp and a 15watts bass amp which we borrowed from the band room. drumset also from band room..
the mics and stuff we got it from the school.. soundman did the mixing.. they provided 2x speakers for singing.. and we could actually mic up our amps but it wasnt necessary b/c the 15watts amp can go quite loud and clear with the tweaking of our effects.. i used a cheap zoom g2 pedal.. the first one was at an open area outside the art gallery.. 2nd one was in the hall. i prefer the open area b/c ppl can sit closer and it feels more like a gig. if in the hall, u'll just feel very empty and funny. haha basically i think u dont have to make ppl pay.. the crowd will shrink like mad. if u wanna make some money out of it, then u can make small badges or what which cost very cheap and can go for about $1.50 each.
ok here's a video recorded with a nokia phone.. so kinda sucks the quality. hehe
YouTube - juneau cover

this is the one in the auditorium..smalls amps too!
YouTube - into oblivion Twenty7 Concert Nite
the 3rd one was this concert night thingy.. our performance was just a slot and the rest were dances and drama.. that one cost $5 i think.

it was a blast man..
 
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Market and advertise your event in such a way where it will attract your target audience, 2-3bucks per ticket sounds reasonable enough. If its a contest, ask them to pay for 'registration' fee but at the same time give them some free tickets too. Give the bands enough time for 3-4songs. Most of the time bands have their own gears, except maybe for the drums. Where to audition? anywhere you want!

You might want to set some ground rules too, like how loud they can play, profanities, types of music they can play and such.

Here's probably the basic things you will need:

2 Guitar amps
1 Bass amp
3 Mic stands
1 Drumset
3-4 cables
1 Damn great host!
 
Hey evodia, I can't tell from your questions on whether you're totally clueless or you are asking generic questions.

Before we can truely help, maybe you would like to fill us in on more information. Like what school, will it be for fund raising, how large a scale is this going to be, the venue, is the school willing to support, estimated size of audience, has anything like this been done before, how's the music scene in your school, how many bands there are in your school, how large is the organising team.

These basic info will definately give us a clearer picture and we'll be able to answer your quires objectively.
 
To Madwerewolfboy,

totally clueless?, now thats harsh..

Well.. its nt for a fund raising since i didnt stated that..

didn't i say the venue is schoo hall?

nope.. the school is not willing to support, its a school project. eg. Entrepreneurship

i dun think anything like this happend before..

I know that there are alot of musicians in my school.. their bands are outside bands.. but we hope that they will form a band together with their friends and perform..

six person in 1 team..


well i prefer u to read all the questions on top and possible drop ur opinion too, instead of asking questions abt information that some have already stated..

thx anyway..
 
hmm, can you tap in your school's sound system in the hall instead of renting amps? could help you save costs. that's what happened in my school.
 
totally clueless?, now thats harsh..
No I didn't mean it that way. I meant to say whether you're totally clueless as to have no idea where to start or how to go about doing the first step as compared to asking generic questions for opinions on which would work better. Don't feel offended.

I've read every post above mine already and if I were you, though they are informative, I wouldn't find them helpful if they weren't the answers I was looking for. That's why I asked you to fill us up on more information before feeding you with replies and opinions which are not put into your context.

Alright, I missed the school hall part cause it was embedded in a question, but you asked 11 questions without filling in on what you are currently leaning for.

They're a few answers to each of your questions, pros and cons for options etc. But now that you've fill us up on more info:

To be held in school hall (how big is it? is this sec sch/jc/poly?)
For school project (not backed by school)
Has never happened before (is your school open to the idea?)
Few or no bands completely made up of school mates (will you school allow people from outside to perform? if yes, much easier, if not, its still fun persuading schoolmates to form school bands)
Organising team has 6 people in it (we can gauge how large a scale this event can get now)


I'll try to think of something when I'm at home tonight!
 
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1. shld we make it into a competition? or just a normal gig with theme..
Normal gig will be enough to attract bands and music lovers. competition if you wanna spruce it up.

2. shld it be open for all genre or just for rock genre?
open for all genres. everyone has different tastes.

3. where is the cheapest rental studio ( due to our tight budget )
don't know about that one, but worst come to worst scenario, you can grab a couple of di boxes and plug the instruments into house. or mic up some small wattage amps available

4.Hw many watts shld we rent for guitar amps for school hall..?
best to rent 50 to 100 watt amps. if not enough, just mic em up. my school recently had a concert and they rented a marshall jcm800 :O But that was because alot of ppl paid to get a ticket.

5.since we are gonna fork out our own money for all this.. hw are we gonna earn back or with profit..? selling tix like DXO?.. if selling tix.. hw much per person?
If its a school project make announcements and put up flyers, etc on the school walls. go class to class to try to sell tickets. also the bands playing would want to promote the gig.

6. wads the minimum and maximum band or contestant shld enter..?
depends on the duration. if its a 2 hour affair, give each band 10 to 15min, and add in some buffer time and intermission time as well.

7. shld we provide the gears, or they shld bring their own..?
rent amps and a drum set. make them bring their own guitars/basses

8. if it is for a normal gig with theme.. shld the performer gets anything..? if yes.. wad shld we give them for performing?
nothing should be good enough actually. school based bands would jump at the chance to play at a gig even without any prize or reward. its all for the experience :)

9. If it is a competition, wad are the prizes that we shld set for 1st,2nd and 3rd place..
cash prize. but it depends on how many bands good enough want to participate, and how many people are willing to go.

10. Hw do we attact our students to join, if its a competition, they will go for the prize.. but if for a normal gig, hw do we attract them?
even for normal gigs with no prize, musicians would want to play too. i'm in JC and i've only played free gigs and i'd jump to any opportunity.

11. hw much do u think to get all this setup? excluding mics and speakers..
depends on the studio. it would be best if your school had a drum set already. try getting support from the school, since it's a school-based project.
 
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My group is doing a project, and we decided to host a gig in our school together with a theme..

my question is..

1. shld we make it into a competition? or just a normal gig with theme..
you may wanna do a survey. ask your friends.

2. shld it be open for all genre or just for rock genre?
open for variety? unless ur school are mostly rockers.

3. where is the cheapest rental studio ( due to our tight budget )
to rent? tight budget? ask the musicians to bring their amps and mic up. or straight to PA.

4.Hw many watts shld we rent for guitar amps for school hall..?
depends on size. a 15 watt can already get really loud.

5.since we are gonna fork out our own money for all this.. hw are we gonna earn back or with profit..? selling tix like DXO?.. if selling tix.. hw much per person?
this is where u get ur business skill to use. cheap=more people/less profit per person. expensive=less people/more profit margin. but do u want less people?

6. wads the minimum and maximum band or contestant shld enter..?
depends on timing and agenda.

7. shld we provide the gears, or they shld bring their own..?
they bring their own. u provide PA backup, speakers, microphones, and drums.

8. if it is for a normal gig with theme.. shld the performer gets anything..? if yes.. wad shld we give them for performing?
see if u have any profit. make a proper standing in black and white. school gig..unlikely that bands get paid. unless stars that are invited.

9. If it is a competition, wad are the prizes that we shld set for 1st,2nd and 3rd place..
$3, $2, $1. ok no. but cash is usually most desirable.

10. Hw do we attact our students to join, if its a competition, they will go for the prize.. but if for a normal gig, hw do we attract them?
they can get school stardom? i dont know.

11. hw much do u think to get all this setup? excluding mics and speakers..
$100? what would u need?? only manpower and..decorations? smoke machines? haha.
 
heres a vid of a school gig i organized haha check it out


YouTube - Monroe- Raning blood Insane mosh!


It was more of a fun gig. erm like who want to play just come up and play. haha but it was mostly the same ppl all the way.
Charged $2 or $3 at door forgot very cheap la.. all most half of them came in for free haha :D
cheers :D
 
To be held in school hall (how big is it? is this sec sch/jc/poly?)
For school project (not backed by school)
Has never happened before (is your school open to the idea?)
Few or no bands completely made up of school mates (will you school allow people from outside to perform? if yes, much easier, if not, its still fun persuading schoolmates to form school bands)
Organising team has 6 people in it (we can gauge how large a scale this event can get now)
Again, please tell if you are in sec/jc or poly. Arrangements will be quite different for each due to curriculum time which determines a very important part of the whole thing - auditions

1) First and foremost, whether it is to be a competition... I would highly highly recommend it to be a competition because 1, no rock concert has been organised before (you do not know exactly how many bands there are that are willing to join) and 2, its a school event (you do not know how good the newly formed sch bands are). You need to ensure that people who passed the auditions will continue to work hard to sound good. Some bands only work hard to pass the auditions with a song and after that, chapalang the rest.

2) Since you are uncertain of your local music scene there, its best to be open to all genres but make it clear the preference is something safe such as rock. You need to first capture as much people for auditions as possible. After the auditions, then decide objectively which bands are good. If there are too many good ones, that's fine because you can shave them off subjectively. If there are too few good ones, you're going to have a hard time.

3) Cheapest rental is hard to say. You can try to source around but I would suggest contacting LutherMusic Works (93887511) / Mikemann (97337161) / Lee Kwong Seng Music Centre (91735548 ). These, imo, are the cheapest of the lot. Tell them your situation and ask them each for recommendation of a list of equipments with your stated budget.

4) Watts is the last thing you should worry about if you are mic'ing up to mixers into loudspeakers. Tone is more important. Try to get guitar amps with 12" cones or even 2×12". If you can get a half stack, even better. I would strongly advise against the non mic'ing way because you hall is a large venue and raw sound will never be balanced or acceptable from a paying audience point of view.

5) Covering capital should be first priority. Selling tickets is a must. You will need ticket runners... ... loads of them. Be it bands, friends, friends of friends etc. Don't need to force bands to sell tickets but get bands who passed the auditions to chip in equally for the expenses. (make that a policy and be as transparent as possible. ie show them the invoice etc)

How big is your hall? What is the maximum number of people can you squeeze in without getting uncomfortable? Take the cohort number for example (ie during assembly) or ask your principal. That is the expected number of tickets you will print and sell. Decide the price from there. Assuming it can hold 800 people, pricing the tickets at $4 will get you $2.4k. A comfortable amount to cover everything including prizes and a very good list of equipment for rent.

6) Number of performers and the duration of each set is determined by the duration you intend to hold the gig. I would say 3 hours is a good duration. Give and take some emcees blabbering nonsense in between sets, 10 bands of 15mins per set will be more than enough. That's 3 short songs or 2 long songs. Remember to consider set-up and tear-down time for each band (efx pedals, quick sound check/balance, adjustment of drums etc)

7) Gears - Bands should bring (or share) their own guitars, bass, effect pedals keyboards. Everything else should be provided by you guys.

8 ) Highly not recommended

9) $200, $100 and $50 should be enticing enough. More would blow your budget, and less would not attract them to work for it.

10) You need high publicity during pre-audition stages. You need to at least get everyone in sch to know its gonna be a kickass event, nicely advertised with cool posters (DIY is also good) ask for bands to audition, state the terms and bold the prizes. Word of mouth is a good and effective tool. After the auditions, things should be flowing more smoothly if you coordinate and work with bands like working with partners. Work in such a way that you have the last say, but bands can contribute any ideas cause you'll never know if some of them have more experience at organising this kinda stuff somewhere outside.

11) For equipment alone, if got lobang, can go $500. If no lobang, $1000 and above. But not to worry because you have an expected return of $2.4k (may vary, need confirmation first)

One thing that might seem trivial to you but a really huge matter to the school is, whether they would allow people from outside to come for the gig. IE friends of schoolmates. If they do, good, because you can sell the tickets faster. If they don't due to being scared wrong crowds may come (like my damn school) then its still ok, but a little tougher. Ask your school first if you can make it a charitable event (since you ARE after all, using their venue)) Come up with a sound proposal so they will know you're not doing something out of this world. If you have the school's backing, publicity will shoot up and sales will be very much better. If this whole thing goes well, the school might even consider to make this an annual thing.
 
Since I've got several quotations before, I could give you a rough idea on what to get with the given budget.

The band equipment list is as follow,
Items Description
01 One Peavey ‘Session bass’ amplifier head
02 One SWR 4x10” speaker cabinet
03 One pair of Marshall VS100R guitar amplifier head
04 One pair of Marshall 1960A 4x12” speaker cabinet
05 One set of Pearl ‘Export’ series 5 pcs drumkit with one set cymbals (14” hi-hat, 16” crash, 18” crash and 20” ride)
06 One set of HK Audio ACTOR series speakers (two pcs 12” satellite speakers and four pcs 15” sub-woofer
07 Three Mackie SRM450 stage monitors
08 One pcs JBL EON 15 stage monitor for drummer
09 Three Shure SM58 vocal microphones with stands
10 Two Rode NT3 condenser microphones with stands
11 Eight Shure SM57 instrument microphones with stands
12 One JTS kick microphone
13 One set of Mackie 24 channel channel mixer
14 One set of Lexicon LXP-1 rack effect
15 Two sets of Samson compressor/limiter
16 One set of Alexsis DM-5 drum module
17 One set Stanton dual CD player
18 One set of rack EQ
19 One set of accessories for gig equipment
20 One sound engineer
21 One sound tech
22 Mic-up of band equipment


Something of this sort will be terrific for a school auditorium.
 
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