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True bro. It is easy to wow a total noob. try trying that to a trained musician? hahahaha.....

That's it, though. Instructors have the responsibilities to further our craft. Not anyhow teach, even as simple as teaching, say, the C chord. You know? For eg, not just showing them the chord shapes, but why does it need to be played that way and what can be done with that chord.

Thnaks for the thoughts bro.
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haha, then why teach? that's my point. can anyone who claims to play guitar, or in broader sense, any musical instruments for that matter, can and able to teach when they themselves are groping in the dark?

I find that hilarious. It's like blind leading the blind.

Thanks for the thoughts, bro.
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hahaha the blind leading the blind..
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There's no fun in being a clone in the long run but its really easy to be one... and it can work for goal setting, like setting a technical standard.

I do envy you for the experience nonetheless. I would enjoy jamming and just asking questions like how they go about song writing and how do they approach/view the guitar.
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correct me if i'm wrong but what i see is that most of the world's foremost guitar players are sort like a clone to 1 another.

i for 1 would readily admit that i tried my very best to be like RR but failed coz im not good enuf hahahaha

those not in the know of guitar playing could not the different between a yngwie and a macalpine..

even great 1s like satch,vai readily admit to imitate jimi
jimi himself imitate buddy guy. imitation is flattery..

but yup..the point being that cloning can work for goal setting, like setting a technical standard is very true.

thats why im still trying to sound like RR...my bad..
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I don't think they clone Jimi. I think they steal his ideas and make them their own. Vai's stage antics. Satch's blues lines. Etc etc. I wouldn't say Satch is the new Hendrix though.

A clone to me would be ... Joe Stump to Malmsteen. Where you listen and scratch your head and think, why I am hearing 100% XXX when I'm seeing YYY play?!

I don't think imitation of certain aspects is bad. I think cloning like in, 100% trying to be the exact same thing, like an Elvis impersonation (slightly out of context but you get the idea).

I think add one's own flavouring is key...
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Good points bros.

I'm just concern that we are not moving forward as musicians, pro or otherwise.

Comparing to older pro musicians that i have the pleasure of working with, i feel that the younger generations are not quite creative and adventurous in their approach. The lack of experimentations are quite obvious. As like, , 'im a metal guitarist, why would i play blues?' or 'i play lead, wht would i bother to play 2nd guitar?"

I find this very egoistic and an affront to musicians. I major in jazz, does that means that i cant shred or play death metal? like all pro players, i pride myself in being flexible (erning a living, you know).

I try to instill the same philpsophy to my students. Learn everything. listen to everything. you might learn something new and incorporate that into your playing. You becomes you, not a clone.

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Joe Stump to Malmsteen. Where you listen and scratch your head and think, why I am hearing 100% XXX when I'm seeing YYY play?!
yesh they sound bloody alike. i think for vai and satch they do not imitate but rather take influences from those "influential" guitarists. like how neil zaza reminds you of satch, but doesnt sound exactly like satch, and how andy timmons reminds you of zaza or satch in some songs (eg electric gypsy), but doesnt sound exactly like either. if you get what i mean.
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As like, , 'im a metal guitarist, why would i play blues?' or 'i play lead, wht would i bother to play 2nd guitar?"
i agree with that man ! so u teach guitar?
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Good points bros.

I'm just concern that we are not moving forward as musicians, pro or otherwise.

Comparing to older pro musicians that i have the pleasure of working with, i feel that the younger generations are not quite creative and adventurous in their approach. The lack of experimentations are quite obvious. As like, , 'im a metal guitarist, why would i play blues?' or 'i play lead, wht would i bother to play 2nd guitar?"

I find this very egoistic and an affront to musicians. I major in jazz, does that means that i cant shred or play death metal? like all pro players, i pride myself in being flexible (erning a living, you know).

I try to instill the same philpsophy to my students. Learn everything. listen to everything. you might learn something new and incorporate that into your playing. You becomes you, not a clone.

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